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Virginia: Car-tax relief put on hold
Richmond Times-Dispatch ^ | 11/16/2001 | Michael Hardy

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:51 PM PST by cogitator

Edited on 07/20/2004 11:45:51 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A disappointed Gov. Jim Gilmore finally conceded yesterday that the state can't provide full car-tax relief next year, which he'd promised to do when he ran for office.

He said the state will have to struggle mightily just to make up an $890 million budget shortfall.


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OK, let's do a little math. The reported shortfall is $890 million; let's call that -$890 million. The cost of the 70% car-tax repeal is $700-800 million, let's split the difference and call it +$750 million. Add the two together, -$890 million and +$750 million, and the result is: -$140 million. Now a $140 million budget shortfall is no picnic, but it's a lot less glum than a $890 million shortfall.

Perhaps Governor Gilmore should have listened to the Virginia Senate Republicans last January. And if he had, we might be talking about Governor Earley and not Governor Warner right now.

Like it or not, Virginians, Governor Gilmore has to shoulder some of the blame for the budget problems and Warner's election. On the night of the election, he said "Governor elections are local politics" or something similar when asked about how the election of Warner and McGreevey reflected the GOP's overall prospects. Well, the budget impasse was local politics -- and it was a big factor in the election of Warner.

The silver lining in this dark cloud is that Warner will be struggling with the budget and won't be able to do much else.

1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:51 PM PST by cogitator
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2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:51 PM PST by cogitator
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Look at the bright side. Now that you guys have a DemocRAT in there, he will figure the only way to counteract the budget shortfall is to raise taxes! That's what happens every time the DemocRATs get into power.

3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:52 PM PST by Colt .45
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Look at the bright side. Now that you guys have a DemocRAT in there, he will figure the only way to counteract the budget shortfall is to raise taxes! That's what happens every time the DemocRATs get into power.

I'm in Maryland, but I doubt that the Republicans in the Virginia Senate and Assembly (both controlled by large majorities) would let Governor Warner raise taxes unless he could show a legitimate reason to do so.

Or he could suggest a statewide referendum on a tax increase...

4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:53 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
What is the car tax? How is it calculated? Thanks
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:55 PM PST by learner
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Wow, if you do your own taxes, the IRS is looking for you. A shortfall is negative, so that would be -890m. Cutting the car tax would reduce incoming revenue by -700m to -800m. So the math say -1.59b to -1.69b. Thats about a 1.5 billion difference from your math.
6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:57 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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Like it or not, Virginians, Governor Gilmore has to shoulder some of the blame for the budget problems and Warner's election.

You're exactly right. Gilmore doesn't like it. And, the worst part is he knew how bad the numbers were during last year's session.

Still he comes out and says "the election had nothing to do with me." Yeah, right.

7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:58 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: learner
What is the car tax? How is it calculated? Thanks

Have to ask the Virginians to be sure, as I haven't lived there for a decade. But it's basically a tax on the value of your car. If you own a more expensive car, you pay more.

The think that I remember hating the most about the car tax was that it was due on December 1 (or December 31st); just when people are getting ready to pay for Christmas shopping. Bad timing.

8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:59 PM PST by cogitator
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Wow, if you do your own taxes, the IRS is looking for you. A shortfall is negative, so that would be -890m. Cutting the car tax would reduce incoming revenue by -700m to -800m. So the math say -1.59b to -1.69b. Thats about a 1.5 billion difference from your math.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. If the car-tax repeal hadn't been funded to 70%, which cost $700-800 million, then that would have been $700-800 million in the Treasury. That's why I called it +$750 million.

To put it another way, the budget shortfall is $890 million and the revenue reduction due to the 70% car-tax repeal is $750 million (or so). If you don't have that revenue reduction, then the shortfall is only about $140 million, as I said earlier.

I pretty much doubt that Virginians will be in favor of a retroactive increase in their car-tax, so the incoming governor is stuck with the current numbers.

9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:00 PM PST by cogitator
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And this is with a GOP-dominated assembly. Republicans are going to have to realize that once their guys are in power, they are no less capable of whoring themselves to various constituent groups (read: spending money like drunken sailors). A fully Republican state government and they still can't get their fiscal house in order. Republicans are slowly losing their credibility as the party of fiscal restraint and responsibility. If you can't enact a Republican agenda when you control ALL the reigns of government, how in the hell do you expect to convince people that you can do it at all?!
10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:00 PM PST by VoodooEconomist
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To: cogitator
I'm in Maryland, but I doubt that the Republicans in the Virginia Senate and Assembly (both controlled by large majorities) would let Governor Warner raise taxes unless he could show a legitimate reason to do so.

Which begs the question as to how this problem came about in the first place. Republicans dominate both houses of the assembly ... plus the governorship ... and they still can't keep spending under control.

Why is that? Very simply: both political parties are full of whores - i.e. people who spend other people's money in order to "buy" votes ... indirectly, of course.

If the Virginia Experiment in full-GOP governance fails, the GOP is going to have a very difficult time convincing people that the Republican Party is really about fiscal restraint and responsibility.

11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:01 PM PST by VoodooEconomist
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Have to ask the Virginians to be sure, as I haven't lived there for a decade.

Probably more appropriately labeled "personal property tax" but is applied locally (city or county) based on the assessed value of your vehicle.

Different localities have different deadlines. I pay in June.

The fundamental problem with the car tax cut to begin with was not just that the state was cutting from their budget. The car tax goes to the localities. So the plan worked out that the tax would be reimbursed or not assessed to individuals and the state then pays the localities for the lost revenue. In essence it worked out to the state paying everyone's car tax. So the problem was that it wasn't just eliminating state taxes, it was adding additional state expenses.

12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:01 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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Thanks, we are in Pa., but my son is at UVA and has a car registered in VA.Where does he get the forms and how does he find out his assement? Thanks.
13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:02 PM PST by learner
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Where does he get the forms and how does he find out his assement?

If he has a Virginia address and Virginia tags, they'll find him. :-)

In the meantime, he can check with his local Commissioner of the Revenue.

14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:02 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: VoodooEconomist
Why is that? Very simply: both political parties are full of whores - i.e. people who spend other people's money in order to "buy" votes ... indirectly, of course.

Whores would go out of business if there wasn't a demand for their services. Trouble is, there always has been a demand for services provided by whores, hence the "oldest profession" moniker.

I'm not sure the electorate shouldn't share some of the blame in these kinds of things. Many of the recent elections at the state and national level seem to fall to those salesmen (pimps?) who promise the people the most material benefit, i.e., free stuff from de gummint. In many places, the electorate looks to their government for more and more things. Maybe the politicians would look for a different profession if they perceived that the people did not demand their "services" as much...? Just a thought.

15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:06 PM PST by chimera
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To: learner
He needs to go to City Hall if he resides in Charlottesville or the County Office Building if he lives in Albemarle and purchase a car decal. That puts his car on the tax rolls. The city/county will bill for the taxes. Many people here keep their cars registered in their home locales to avoid the car tax.
16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:19 PM PST by rwt60
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Ok, thanks for the clarification. This non-Virginian now sees it a bit more clearly, sorry for the misunderstanding.
17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:20 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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Full car-tax relief could cost up to $1.5 billion a year.

Funny how they call reducing taxes a cost. That's not how I would identify a cost.

18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:41 PM PST by cruiserman
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Funny how they call reducing taxes a cost. That's not how I would identify a cost.

It's because the state reimburses local governments for the loss of car-tax revenues. As someone else in this thread pointed out, the car-tax was "repealed" by the mechanism of the state paying the money to the local governments that they would have collected from the car tax, so the citizens wouldn't have to pay the tax. The mechanism works as long as you've got the revenues to pay for it. If you don't... you have a hole in the budget.

19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:42 PM PST by cogitator
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Perhaps, but it doesn't cost the taxpayers anything. They get to keep more money. The taxpayers do all the paying in the first place.
20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:03 PM PST by cruiserman
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