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Operation Unthinkable (Churchills Plan for War with the Soviet Union)

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:50 PM PST by tonycavanagh

Within days of the defeat of Germany in World War II, Winston Churchill ordered his war cabinet to draw up contingency plans for an offensive against Stalin that would lead to ``the elimination of Russia'', according to top secret British documents.

The resulting battle plan included the use of up to 100,000 German troops to back up half a million British and American soldiers attacking through northern Germany. It assumed that Stalin would invade Turkey, Greece, Norway and the oilfields of Iraq and Iran in retaliation and launch extensive sabotage operations in France and the Low Countries.

A 29-page report, codenamed Operation Unthinkable, was presented to the Prime Minister on 22 May 1945, 14 days after the end of the war in Europe.

It assumed that the Third World War would start on 1 July 1945, probably with a surprise attack by 47 British and American divisions between Dresden and the Baltic.

The war cabinet plan ruled out ``total war'' against the Red Army, which outnumbered the Allies by more than two to one, adding that there was no reason why an Anglo-American invasion of Russia would fare any better than Hitler's Operation Barbarossa.

Historians had long believed that the tense period immediately after the meeting of the armies of West and East led to plans of this sort, but today's publication is the first proof of their existence.

Professor D.C. Watt, the eminent historian who has written the official history of the British cabinet office in wartime, said it was the first time the papers had been read by anyone other than the principals.

``Nobody has ever seen this kind of thing before,'' he said, ``but we have had strong suspicions that they must have been written.''

The Unthinkable plan was eventually rejected by Churchill on the advice of the Chiefs of Staff and replaced with a defensive scheme to guard against invasion by the Red Army..


TOPICS: Germany; Miscellaneous; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: germany; greece; iran; iraq; norway; russia; sovietunion; stalin; turkey; winstonchurchill; worldwar2; worldwarii
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A bit of what might have been History to chew over for all the armchair strategists out there.

I count myself amongst this lot.

Tony

1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:50 PM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: jjbrouwer; MadIvan; vooch; Voronin; Travis McGee; Pericles
What might have been.

Tony

2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:50 PM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: Clive
Any views could it of succeeded
3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:50 PM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh
After WWII, the pacifist mathematician, Bertrand Russell, advocated using the atomic bomb against Russia before they obtained it.
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:50 PM PST by Nogbad
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To: tonycavanagh
great finding thanks.
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:50 PM PST by green team 1999
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To: Serge
What do you think Serge could Russia of taken on a combined American British army.

Tony

6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:51 PM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh
The resulting battle plan included the use of up to 100,000 German troops to back up half a million British and American soldiers attacking through northern Germany.

Well, the Germans attacked Russia with over a million men and it did not turn out so well. On the other hand, I am sure American forces would also be coming WEST right after they finished up with Japan

7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:51 PM PST by 2banana
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To: green team 1999; Nogbad
I hought it would make a change from all the Harry Potter Threads.

I wonder if it has ever been wargamed.

Tony

8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:51 PM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh
Maybe it could, maybe not. Don't forget. By this time, our State Department was infiltrated with lots of sympathizers. It could have succeeded if we used the A bomb. At that time, in 1945, we - the United States - was the only one who had it. Russia, with the rest of the world, was in shatters. We could have taken a plane right over Moscow and wiped it out. No more Stalin, etc. Maybe if Harry Truman could have been given a glimpse of the future to come he might have ordered it. Korea, Vietnam, Greece, China, an out of control CIA, JFK, Cuban Missile Crisis, Bill Clinton, Lyndon Johnson, terrorists, the Iran hostage crisis, etc. Most of this happened due to Communism.
9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:51 PM PST by 7thson
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To: tonycavanagh
There go you Brits trying to steal George Patton's idea.

Whoever thought of it, it was a brilliant plan. It would have saved a lot of global agony all these years.

10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:51 PM PST by OK
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To: tonycavanagh
Source please?
11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:51 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: tonycavanagh
Patton would have loved this.
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:52 PM PST by Campion
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To: tonycavanagh
Tony,

As a wargamer, I can say that this, and just about any other scenario like it has been wargamed.

GLC

13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:52 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps
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To: tonycavanagh
I think such an attack was strategically possible, but probably not politically survivable. I just don't see how the U. S. or British public would back another war so soon on the heels of defeating Germany.

Assuming political unity, I think the men and material resources of the U. S. and Britain would have been more than a match for the Soviet Union. U. S. and British industry were outproducing the Soviets by far. We would have easily gained and held sea and air supremacy. And remember, we had the bomb by that point. Stalin wouldn't for many more years.

14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:52 PM PST by Snuffington
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re : As a wargamer, I can say that this, and just about any other scenario like it has been wargamed.

What was the result or results.

Tony

15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:52 PM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh
The Alllies plus the Germans from the west. The US plus the Japanese from the east. The atomic bomb who knows?
16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:53 PM PST by SgtSki
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To: Snuffington
re : but probably not politically survivable. I just don't see how the U. S. or British public would back another war so soon on the heels of defeating Germany.

That is how I read it, the Soviet Union was an ally, there was still Japan to beat, and with Germany and Japan beaten the people would want their boys home.

Tony

17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:53 PM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: Snuffington
I have to agree. The US was certainly sick of war and would have been hard pressed to justify a "preventitive" attack on a former ally. Americans wanted to come home and resume normal lives and I suspect the Brits did too.
18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:54 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Captain Kirk
Hi Captain Kirk forgot to post a URL, but if you put Operation Unthinkable into your search engine you will get a lot of information on this plan.

Tony

19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:54 PM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh
It would have worked for two reasons:

Two million Soviet and Eastern Europeans found themselves on our side of the line when WWII ended. We shipped them back to imprisonment and death under Stalin. Many committed suicide rather than return. We could have used them to invade the Soviet Union.

We had a monopoly on the A-Bomb for 4 years.

The reason we did not push on to Moscow was not because it was impractical. It was because of traitors in both the US and British governments.

20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:54 PM PST by LarryLied
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