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Facing Facts About Africa & Slavery
DailyNews.com ^ | Original Publication Date: 11/16/01 | Stanley Crouch

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:34 PM PST by tberry

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1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:34 PM PST by tberry
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To: tberry
If they don't be victims, they don't be gettin checks!
2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:51 PM PST by Nitro
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Muslim slaves, the audience was told, are taught that if they disobey their masters, they won't go to paradise when they die.

Islam and slavery go together like a wink and a smile.

3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:58 PM PST by Maceman
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To: tberry
Stanley Crouch is one interesting man.
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:32 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Maceman
Islam and slavery go together like a wink and a smile.

So did slavery and the old south. Nothing new here.

5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:42 PM PST by Elihu Burritt
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I wonder if they will teach that slavery has been in Africa for centuries before the whites arrived and is still being practiced? Nah, it would disturb the PC crowd too much.
6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:44 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: aculeus
That he is.
7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:51 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Elihu Burritt
Nothing new here.

Actually, there are two things new here: first of all, WE don't do it anymore; and, secondly, it was NEW only when it got to this country; they'd been doing it for years.

Oh, and they are STILL doing it and we're not; I'm sure that fact really bothers you.

8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:57 PM PST by Howlin
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So did slavery and the old south. Nothing new here.

The slaves in the old south owe their passage there to Islam, which sold them in the first place.

9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:13 PM PST by Maceman
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Oh, and they are STILL doing it and we're not; I'm sure that fact really bothers you.

It bothered my ancestors. That's why they went South for a couple years to end. But you see, the people who do these things do it out of ignorance and stupidity, and the thing that needs to be done is to go in and stop them and educate them. It took a long time in the South, but we finally did it.

10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:07 PM PST by Elihu Burritt
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The slaves in the old south owe their passage there to Islam, which sold them in the first place.

Not so for the most part. Islam was primarily only an alternate buyer of secondary choice, and mostly in areas more directly sub-saharan. Most blacks were bought directly from blacks. In fact, one of the reasons slavery was ended earlier in England the European states with commercial shipping fleets is that the crews found the blacks to make excellent sailors as well as merchants. Southerners never caught on because they were largely too lazy to work at that kind of hard labor such a ship-building or sailing. If you couldn't do it from a hammack with a black wench, it wasn't interesting to them.

11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:08 PM PST by Elihu Burritt
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Housework part of sentence for woman who enslaved African teen-ager

A woman who kept a teen-ager from Africa

12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:08 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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But you see, the people who do these things do it out of ignorance and stupidity

I see. Here in this country, the South did it for money.

Over in Africa, if they do it, it's not because it's for money -- it's because they're too uneducated to not know any better?

BS

13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:09 PM PST by Howlin
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I think Elihu Burrett's problem is that he doesn't understand two simple facts: Many Southern Plantations were owned by northerners and; slavery WASN'T just in the South. It was all over the East Coast, throughout the 13 colonies and, once formed, the states. It just so happens that the southern climate was more conducive to agriculture, ergo more slaves were here to work the farms.

Guess he also missed the article a couple of years ago about the numerous slave bodies that were discovered buried under a building in NEW YORK CITY.

14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:10 PM PST by Commonsense
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Probably a misunderstanding. Remember back when the South was forced to intergrate? How many more years was it before they intergrated Boston and the NE? Twenty?
15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:37:10 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Commonsense
Cherokees owned slaves as well.
16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:40:59 PM PST by nancetc
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To: tberry
FYI--

Slavery in Perspective

17 posted on 11/16/2001 3:42:54 PM PST by backhoe
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To: Howlin
I see. Here in this country, the South did it for money.

No, in the south it was done in ignorance. The negative aspects of it and the fiscal and moral decline of the south were well documented, the slave owning minority of the south that made fortunes on it actively hid the facts from the general populace. The minority were either idiots or hypocrits, the rest ignorant.

The profits for cotton were far outweighed by the loss in the rest of the southern economy and pshychological damage done in the creation of the white trash class.

18 posted on 11/16/2001 4:37:40 PM PST by Elihu Burritt
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To: Howlin
Probably a misunderstanding. Remember back when the South was forced to intergrate? How many more years was it before they intergrated Boston and the NE? Twenty?

Actually, Boston integrated in it's schools in the early 1820's. The South in the 1960's. It is true that Boston regressed as the Democrats and the socialists undermined the old systems and beliefs in the late 19th and early 20th century, but the North never sunk anywhere near the depths of the south.

19 posted on 11/16/2001 4:40:51 PM PST by Elihu Burritt
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To: Commonsense
I think Elihu Burrett's problem is that he doesn't understand two simple facts: Many Southern Plantations were owned by northerners and; slavery WASN'T just in the South. It was all over the East Coast, throughout the 13 colonies and, once formed, the states. It just so happens that the southern climate was more conducive to agriculture, ergo more slaves were here to work the farms.

Slavery ended in PA and MA in 1780. By 1828, the last few slaves above the Mason Dixon line were freed. As for the Southern climate, if that was true, northern agriculture would not have significantly out produced southern agriculture. The North hay crop alone was worth more that the southern cotton crop.

Guess he also missed the article a couple of years ago about the numerous slave bodies that were discovered buried under a building in NEW YORK CITY

Before the general enlightenment on the topic at the end of the 18th century in civilization, there were slaves in the north, though they were primarily served as house servants and not slave labor in the fields. The south, on the other hand, consistently regressed socially and financially as it increased it's number of slave laborers at hard labor.

20 posted on 11/16/2001 4:46:32 PM PST by Elihu Burritt
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