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Flight 587's final seconds
CNN ^ | 11/15/2001 | CNN

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:51 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour

Edited on 04/29/2004 1:59:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Information from the last 28 seconds of the flight data recorder aboard Flight 587 according to NTSB reports.


(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aaflight587; flight587
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1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:51 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Bump for mindbender, who was asking for the link and report.
2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:51 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The tinfoilers are going to have to explain how the wake encounter just happened to coincide with a missile hit or a bomb in the luggage.
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:51 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: Norb2569
Tasteless. Lot of people died.
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:59 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Norb2569
Sorry, most CVR's record the final words as "shit" "damn", or "love you mom", or "love you _____".
6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:59 PM PST by kylaka
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
What pushed the plane sideways like that? Any idea?
7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:59 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: jlogajan
Wrong. They don't have to explain anything. They just have to say "The government always lies" over and over again, and leave it at that. That usually suffices as a "factual" arguement in tinfoil land.
8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:59 PM PST by Rokke
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
So it looks like the back and forth action of the G forces could have sheared off the (I just saw on Fox where the bolts that held the tail section on were in tact, but the fittings that secured them to the composite materials that make up the tail section had sheared off) the tail section at the fittings.

That is the first plausible explanation I have heard yet for a strucural failure.

Can someone out there (math minds, engineers, physics gurus, attention please) tell us what the actual forces on the plane would be when the aircraft is driven one way at .3 G's and and then thrown the other direction with a force of .3 or .4 G's?

Or is the G force readings already taken into account? Is there a bullwhip effect that should be accounted for?

9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:00 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: kylaka
I can attest to that. I was in a car once that ran a stop sign and was hit by one going about 70mph. I was the only one who saw it coming. The only thing the other people remembered was "Oh Sh4T".
10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:00 PM PST by jwalsh07
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What pushed the plane sideways like that? Any idea?

The vertical stabilizer had come off, essentially leaving it as an uncontrollable craft. That's my guess.

MM

11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:00 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: MississippiMan
Yes, I can see that, but the entire craft, tip to tail, blowing sideways is kinda weird.
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:01 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: big ern
Ask John Jamieson.

NTSB photos of vertical stabilizer separation from fuselage

I think they should be grounding some planes until they find out why the Vertical stabilizers tongues sheared above the pin connections. Apparently they have had some trouble in the past with the composite layers separating.

PS: No evidence of blast that I can see.

13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:01 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Maybe they should have the surfboard crafters do an inspection. No degrees, but they know how forces can crush a composite.
14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:01 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: big ern
.... force of .3 or .4 G's?

"G's" are a unit of acceleration, not force. "G" stands for "gravity," meaning the quantity of acceleration equal to that produced by the mutual gravitional attraction between an object and the Earth, as measured at the Earth's surface.

1 "G" of acceleration produces a force equal to the weight of the object. The equation is force = mass x acceleration.

Hence, 0.3 G's produces a force equal to 30% of the weight of the object, 0.4 G's = 40%, etc.

15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:02 PM PST by longshadow
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To: jlogajan
> have to explain how the wake encounter just happened to coincide with a missile hit or a bomb in the luggage.

I believe the operative word has been *sabatage*. Wake turbulance vortexes have been extensively tested at JFK so as to give enough safe-time before another aircraft takes off. There is a minimum wait time before one aircraft can follow another with reasonable safety. It's called a Vortex Spacing System.
There were also tests at JFK to characterize jet blast profiles. So I just can't buy the flutter theory, OR the wake turbulance theory unless that Airbus was built and maintained so badly that a huff and a puff from the big, bad wolf would have caused it to break apart in midair.

17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:02 PM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: longshadow
Yes I know, I read discover magazine when I was a kid.
18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:02 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
Can you offer a rational explanantion as to how somebody could sabotage the tongues which are located internal to the Vertical Stabilizer?
19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:03 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: big ern
The rudder increases lateral forces on the VS as well. It is my understanding that the rudder was found at a pretty steep angle but I'm not sure.
20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:03 PM PST by jwalsh07
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