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Flutter in Plane's Tail Eyed as Cause of Crash
New York Daily News ^ | 11/15/01 | RUSS BUETTNER

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:08 PM PST by kattracks

A major factor in the destruction of American Airlines Flight 587 may prove to be something called flutter — one of the most dreaded bugaboos of flight, experts said yesterda

Flutter is a vibration so violent it can render an aircraft uncontrollable. In tandem with structural flaws, flutter can conceivably rip off a plane's tail.

"Flutter is the demon of all aviation," said Chuck Leonard, a former National Transportation Safety Board investigator. "Once you get flutter, there's going to be damage done."

NTSB investigators probing Monday's crash in the Rockaways said yesterday that they are focusing on the tail section of Flight 587, apparently the first piece of the aircraft to fall off, and the possible effect of turbulence from a Japan Airlines 747 that took off shortly before the American Airlines jet.

Flutter could be the element that connects those two phenomena — though it would be the first time in aviation history, experts said.

"All these things are pretty remote and take pretty unusual circumstances," said Ken Darcy, a former NTSB investigator who is a consultant at Safety Services International, near Seattle. "But obviously, this accident is unprecedented, so we're looking for very unusual things."

Flutter occurs when a piece of an airplane is pushed in one direction, bounces back the other way and then whipsaws violently back and forth.

Something must trigger the problem, and modern jets like the Airbus A300 are carefully balanced and use rigid materials to prevent turbulence and foreign objects from causing flutter.

One or several of those structural and design elements would have had to fail for the wake from the 747 to have caused flutter in the American Airlines jet's tail.

"Turbulence could make the aircraft unstable," Leonard said. "But then there would have to be an anomaly in the vertical stabilizer."

Leonard said the balance is very delicate and that materials designed to prevent the tail from shaking become less stiff over time.

"Even changing the paint surface can change the mass balancing and create flutter potential," he said.

John Hansman, a professor of aeronautics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said the plane's systems could have accentuated the effect of turbulence.

The wake could have caused the yaw damper — an automatic feature that makes constant rudder adjustments for side winds — to start a tail flutter, he said.

"If it did encounter wake vortex, and that got the yaw damper moving, that would do something to the tail," Hansman said.

He said tail flutter was cited as a factor in the 1994 crash of a U.S. Airways flight outside Pittsburgh and in the 1991 crash of a United Airlines jet in Colorado Springs.

In both crashes, tail flutter caused rudders to jam all the way to one side, but the tail did not break off, Hansman said.

Connectors Eyed

Other experts said the tail fin on Flight 587 wouldn't have broken free unless something was wrong with the materials that attached it to the fuselage.

The flanges between the tail fin and the fuselage broke off. Such flanges are made of a composite graphite material that NTSB investigators are closely examining.

Hansman said the composite materials endure fatigue better than metals, but they are more easily damaged by impact. "And they can have internal damage that can't be seen," Hansman said.

Even so, the plane was designed so that one or more flanges could crack and the tail would remain intact.

"You'd be talking about a series of undetected cracks or failures," Darcy said.

Peter Goelz, an aviation consultant and former NTSB managing director, said the pilot might not have even known a piece of the tail had fallen off.

"He's got no rear-view mirror," Goelz said. "All he knows is that he has lost control of his aircraft."

Loss of the tail fin does not necessarily doom a flight. Commercial jets have stayed in the air without one.

In 1985, a Japan Airlines Boeing 747 flew circles between Tokyo and Osaka for 70 minutes after that part of its tail fell off. It finally crashed into a mountain, killing 520 people — the deadliest crash in aviation history.

But, Goelz said, if Flight 587 was in the midst of a massive flutter, "a catastrophic event" was inevitable once the tail fin fell off.




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1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:08 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
"Flutter is the demon of all aviation,"

No , terrorism is the true evil of all aviation.
By the way the tail just doesn't fall off a 12 year old plane. (Flutter was probably casued by someone leaving the bolts loose on the tail )

2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:09 PM PST by KQQL
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To: kattracks
"He's got no rear-view mirror," Goelz said. "All he knows is that he has lost control of his aircraft."

This is an interesting point. Why not wire key surfaces with sensor wires so that any rupture or separation would be recorded on the Flight Data Recorder and displayed instantly in the cockpit?

3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:09 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: onyx
:)
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:09 PM PST by KQQL
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To: KQQL
Tin foil alert?
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:09 PM PST by onyx
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To: kattracks
OK,who had "flutter" in the pool?
6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:09 PM PST by John W
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To: kattracks
Flutter ! of course - FLUTTER.

How could I have been so blind. The answer was right there in front of me.

Silly me. I thought it was terrorism, then the engines, then birds, then wake turbulence, then old damage....

Of course flutter always causes an explosion visible from the ground too.....

7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:10 PM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: kattracks
Hear this, Bullsh!t. Again, this is Bullsh!t. Like I just wrote to Joe Farah, over at WND, 9-11..., what about 11-12?This is just like Flight 800 in that the government doesn't want to report the truth because if they do, the masses would get hysterical. From hour one, almost 1/2 hour one, we heard that this is most likeky an accident and most likely not a terrorist act. C'mon, give me a break. The governor of NY, George Pataki, said that the pilot dropped the fuel over the water which turned out to be false, then we hear that there was a mechanical problem, or engine problem, they, NTSB, said that maybe some doves or birds flew in the engines and that made the tail and the engines fall off. Then they said that the engines were fine, now, it happened because the rudder flew off because of loose bolts or something like that, but it was most likely an accident and most likely not a terrorist act. BullTicky!!
8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:10 PM PST by rambo316
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To: kattracks
Hey, I got some flutter in my sneakers, and now I can jam like Michael Jordan. Pretty good for a white guy. Damn that's good flutter. Personally, I was hoping someone would be dumb enough to try "exploding center fuel tank" to explain the loud bang and bright flash reported by eyewitnesses.
9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:10 PM PST by eno_
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To: kattracks
Flutter could be the element that connects those two phenomena — though it would be the first time in aviation history, experts said.

And who's accusing whom of stretching to find an explanation?

10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:10 PM PST by dawn53
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To: kattracks
I deal with atrial flutter, but have never heard of a tail flutter.
11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:11 PM PST by SC DOC
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
"Flutter" is an oscillation in the system. An electronic feedback control problem for example could over correct back and forth increasing the oscillation to the point of structural failure. Resonances in structures with feedback systems are always difficult engineering problems. If one of the loop feedback design characteristics changes beyond what the system was designed for it can oscillate in a very severe destructive way. A severe oscillation could literally rip the engines from the plane causing what looked like an explosion from the ground. This is a fly by wire plane. A malfunctioning sensor in a critical feedback loop could cause destructive "flutter". The computer responds to bad information making the problem worse until the structure fails.

This is not nearly as far fetched as it may seem.

Just MHO...

12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:11 PM PST by DB
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To: kattracks
My husband and I are both pilots. He has thousands of hours in jets. This just keeps getting funnier and funnier. Next it'll be a dinner service cart that got loose, rolled to the back and took the tail out. Oopps, maybe I shouldn't give them ideas.
13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:11 PM PST by pops88
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To: pops88
This is a bunch of BS. Stall warnings are produced on some airplanes and are referred to as "stick shakers". They produce a flutter to warn the pilot his air speed is too low.

A Flutter. ??????????

14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:12 PM PST by chainsaw
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Or get some of those popup add cameras. Then the pilot could see these control surfaces.

And best of all ... Maybe the popup ads would go away.

snooker

15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:12 PM PST by tarpon_bill
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To: kattracks
Well, at least this is a little more sophisticated that the flying frozen Butterball hypothesis. Gotta give'em points for trying. And, while they're at it, maybe they can explain why the 8 mi distance between the planes that was first reported has suddenly decreased to less than five? Or why the flight controllers would violate the time allowed between planes for take off (if in fact they did. Betcha the flight controllers get the blame now. Especially since, as federal workers, they CAN'T be sued.)
16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:18 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: DB; **AA Flight 587
Of course, flutter doesn't explain this: Air Authorities Monitored Terrorist Threats After Downing Of Flight 587
17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:23 PM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: mewzilla
Just did a Google "Flutter aircraft", big library on this, conferences, there are flutter engineers, who specialise in Aeroelasticity, even low cost PC Finite Element analysis programs.

Here's a definition ; Aerospace Magazine

Flutter is a phenomena which can lead to the catastrophic loss of an aircraft in flight. It needs to be addressed from initial design through flight test and certification. The earlier on in an aircraft program that a potential problem can be discovered, understood, and prevented ("fixed") the less money it will cost to implement the "fix". Fixes can include additional structure (weight penalty), and/or aerodynamic modifications (could result in lower aircraft performance which may lead to more fuel required to perform a mission, etc.).

Presumably, since they have been making these things for nearly 20 years, the appropriate analysis has been done and refined. If an object the size of the rudder "fluttered" sufficently to be ripped offf it would show internal /external damage?

I think it's the paint, probably to cut costs they got it at WalMart and Sam didn't tell them about it's special flutter properties. Maybe all the passengers were followers of Maharishi and doing some Yogic flying casuing synchronised flutter, bad Karma could do this to one of the strongest structures man makes.

18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:23 PM PST by unending thunder
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To: Lion's Cub
Flutter is a high speed phenomena. Flight 587 was in a climb at relatively low airspeed.
19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:24 PM PST by billorites
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To: kattracks
Composite structures are well understood but not as well understood as metal structures. I was involved in a project building a hypersonic airframe with all composite primary and secondary structures. Additionally, one of the propellant tanks (kerosene) was composite. We had several failures during the devlopment process resulting from design deficiencies and suffered from unanticipated failures during loads testing. This was state of the art application of what is known about composites. I can very easily envision techs applying a coating to a composite-metallic interface that was never intended, or positively prohibited, by design engineers and inadvertently causing a weakening of the the interface. There are other processes that maintenance techs might execute that could cause such a failure given the relative immaturity of working with composite materials. I do not discount any possibility in the shearing of the vertical stabilizer, especially given that the attach points were intact. The derision expressed by some respondents to this thread are unwarranted.
20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:24 PM PST by Movemout
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