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WHY DID GOD LET SEPT 11th HAPPEN?!?!?!
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Posted on 11/16/2001 1:14:39 PM PST by notyourregularhandle
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To: dead
Because people kept postingeth e-mail spam on God's forum?Hey DEAD! if you don't think it's worth reading, then don't read it...heard of that?
To: WRhine
It may be a ridiculous question..but it's not ridiculous writing..maybe you should try and read it??? huh? maybe?
To: cold_vicious_logic
very good point... ;)
To: PRND21
don't get it...but thanks for the bump...
To: notyourregularhandle
It may be a ridiculous question..but it's not ridiculous writing..maybe you should try and read it??? huh? maybe? I did. Obviously you didn't think about what I wrote.
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:14:42 PM PST
by
WRhine
To: IncPen
Your pastor is correct. Throughout human history God has blessed those nations who have allowed their people to chose the religion of their choice. As bad as the Mongols may seemed to have been, they allowed their citizens the free will regarding religious expression. Christians were even given tax exemption along with other religions. When the Chinese allowed free religious expression during the Tang dynasty, their nation prospered.
God allows man to chose. Pro-Choice is not a modern term.
To: *Religion
Bump to religion list
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:14:43 PM PST
by
wai-ming
To: WRhine
God is pro-choice. Man choses his own destiny.
To: WRhine
Of course, God does allow many evil things to happen. Like abortion, murder, rape, genocide. The question is not "Why does God allow it?". The question is "Is it His will?". The answer to all questions of evil is of course it is not His will. But, He has given man free will of our own so that we may choose to have a relationship with Him not based on His punishing us into doing things to please Him, but based on the knowledge that He loves us and poured out the wrath of His justice upon His own Son, so we could choose to love Him without condemnation or fear of punishment. It says in the Bible that it is His kindness that leads men to repentance. Not punishment.
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:14:43 PM PST
by
StacyMac
To: notyourregularhandle
If God did not let this happen as some have asserted then how can he be the God of the Bible? What else happens on this earth that he has no control over? Is the free will of man greater than the power of God? The debate is not whether God let it happen or not. The debate can only be; has God caused it to happen or has it happened only as a result of the free will of man and He has chosen not to restrain that will?
If evil people have more power than God and if their will is greater than God's will then we are all in big trouble. God either caused this or he allowed this. Otherwise we may as well worship the devil as he is obviously more powerful. If God has lost control then he did not let this happen. If he is still in control then we had better look for some answers. We can start by looking at ourselves. Perhaps we are not as righteous as we think we are.
America's Other Jesus
To: WRhine
I did think about what you wrote. It's not a ridiculous article/email/whatever. GOD gave us freedom. Meaning, he didn't give us a dollar (symbolizing freedom) just to tell us how to spend it. He gave us a dollar and is letting us do whatever we want with it...but America has gotten out of control...WE AS A NATION ARE TURNING OUR BACK ON HIM!!!
To: Raymond Hendrix
RIGHT ON THE MONEY!!! GOOD POST!!!
To: notyourregularhandle
I am not a biblical scholar. I only bring this to your attention because it seems apropro to the question:
According to the Gospel of Luke Chapter 13: (note particularly verse 4)
[1] And there were present, at that very time, some that told him of the Galileans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
[2] And he answering, said to them: Think you that these Galileans were sinners above all the men of Galilee, because they suffered such things?
[3] No, I say to you: but unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish.
[4] Or those eighteen upon whom the tower fell in Siloe, and slew them: think you, that they also were debtors above all the men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
[5] No, I say to you; but except you do penance, you shall all likewise perish.
I recall overhearing a reference to these verses in a discussion held by Christians that focused on why God allows tragedy to befall the innocent. The answer addresses those that ask what caused such tragedy and instructs those who look for some explanation. The same is happening with America. For example, a person concluded recently in a speech at Georgetown University that Americans are paying the price for the past. It would appear from the writings above that the person giving that speech should worry first about their own conduct before passing judgement. But then again so should I.
Interesting.
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:14:43 PM PST
by
Hostage
To: notyourregularhandle
"That His Glory be made manifest."Works for me.
To: StacyMac
It says in the Bible that it is His kindness that leads men to repentance. Not punishment. As has been the case in my life.
To: Hostage
That is interesting...thanks for the post!
To: Hostage
I have heard it said that when you "point your finger at someone, there are three more pointing back at you."
This also works for me.
To: Raymond Hendrix
Ray, God is not some cosmic puppet-master controlling everything that goes on here on earth. He is in control of His plans and purposes, but man's sin is not able to change that.
Tell me, which God is bigger? The one Who has to manipulate all events on earth including evil ones to make His plan work, or One Who allows man to make his own decisions to follow Him and righteousness or follow satan and evil, and yet still make His plan work regardless of man's sin? God is bigger than our sin and does'nt have to kill us or punish us to keep His eternal plan on track. He controls the times and the seasons and everything will happen just as He says it will, regardless of how wicked man-kind gets. After all, He's God!!!!
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:14:44 PM PST
by
StacyMac
To: notyourregularhandle
He gave us a dollar and is letting us do whatever we want with it...but America has gotten out of control...WE AS A NATION ARE TURNING OUR BACK ON HIM!!! You born-again types really have a way of reducing the eternal mind creator of this universe into some kind of Zeus-like God who sits on a throne and is consumed by casting disasters down upon us little people when we don't behave as we should. I don't buy it.
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:14:44 PM PST
by
WRhine
To: WRhine
"You born-again types..."Can you please explain "born-again" ...
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