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New Clues Deepen Flight 587 Crash Mystery
Aviation Week (Aviation Now) ^ | 14-Nov-2001 12:56 AM U.S. EST | By Sean Broderick/AviationNow.com

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:43 PM PST by vannrox


New Clues Deepen Flight 587 Crash Mystery



As work continued into the night on reading the plane's flight data recorder, investigators late Tuesday revealed several new clues about the crash of American Airlines Flight 587, but the information merely deepened the mystery of what caused the accident.


With both of the Airbus A300-600's engines and its vertical stabilizer coming down before the rest of the airplane, early accident-related speculation was on a catastrophic engine failure that triggered collateral structural damage. But investigators have found nothing that backs such a scenario, and the near-pristine condition of the tail pieces indicates that something besides debris caused them to separate from the plane.


Visual inspection of the plane's two engines showed "no physical evidence" of an engine or fan failure, U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Investigator-In-Charge George Black told reporters in the first of two briefings held late Tuesday. Black also confirmed what AviationNow.com reported several hours before the briefing: neither of the General Electric CF6-80C2 engines showed evidence of a bird strike.


"We will have to await tear-down to completely analyze the condition of the engines and any part they might have played in the accident," Black cautioned, adding that both engines will go to American's Tulsa, Okla., maintenance base for disassembly.


While an engine failure seems less remote based on the lack of evidence, other facts clearly indicate that something went suddenly and terribly wrong shortly after Flight 587 left Runway 31 Left at John F. Kennedy Airport Monday morning. All 251 passengers and nine crewmembers were killed when the jet plunged into a residential waterside area of Queens, New York.


In perhaps the most perplexing development Tuesday, the A300-600's vertical stabilizer and rudder were pulled from Jamaica Bay -- about a half-mile from the main debris site -- and both pieces "appear to be complete," Black said. Television images of the tail showed no marks, holes, or other structural damage that would indicate that the tail was knocked off by debris -- such as from a disintegrating engine.


Relying on what Black described as a "second quick look" at the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) tape recovered hours after the accident, investigators have determined the first part of the flight was "normal."


About three minutes into the flight -- or 107 seconds after power was applied to start the A300-600's takeoff roll -- an "airframe rattling noise" was captured on the tape, Black said.


Seven seconds later, one of the pilots mentioned a "wake encounter," but there was no further discussion, Black said.


At 121 seconds, a second rattling sound is heard.


Four seconds later, the first officer called for maximum power to the plane's engines. This could indicate several things, such as setting up engine thrust to help steer the plane -- an option to compensate for a lack of rudder control -- or an effort to climb in preparation for an emergency return to JFK.


At 127 seconds, one of the pilots indicated that control of the plane has been lost.


The recording stopped 144 seconds after takeoff power was first applied.


The vertical stabilizer and rudder were pulled from Jamaica Bay Tuesday, and both of them "appear to be complete," Black said. Television images of the tail showed no marks, holes, or other structural damage that would indicate that the tail was knocked off by debris -- such as from a disintegrating engine.


The CVR information alone doesn't reveal when Flight 587 took off or how long it stayed airborne, Black said. The CVR information will be merged with data from the FDR, air traffic control radar tapes, and other sources to develop a detailed look at the plane's flight profile.


The rattling noises captured on the CVR will surely get significant scrutiny from investigators. Black, who was relaying information from other investigators and has not listed to the tape, could not provide details on the noises.


Aside from the two rattling sounds, Black did not indicate that other unusual noises were captured by the CVR. In the past, onboard explosions -- such as what would occur due to an uncontained engine failure, fuel tank ignition, or bomb detonation -- have often been picked up on recorders.


"Not only are words important on a tape, but sounds are important," Black said.


While no sounds pointing to explosions have been picked up from the CVR analysis sessions, Black said investigators noted "noises" on an air traffic control tower tape of communications between controllers and Flight 587. The noises -- which Black did not describe in detail -- were heard at about the time crew lost control. He did not say what the sounds indicated.


Detailed analysis of the tapes and coordinated timeline of the events will help shed more light on how the clues fit together, Black said. Transcription of the CVR is slated to begin Wednesday, with participation of representatives from France's Bureau Enquêtes-Accidents as well as Airbus.


Flight 587 took off about two minutes and twenty seconds behind a Japan Airlines 747-400, Black said. While investigators will examine that fact in connection with the Flight 587 crew's reference to wake turbulence, Black noted that the separation between the two jets exceeded the two-minute requirement.


Evidence from eyewitnesses has provided some insight on Flight 587's final moments, Black said. Members of two airline crews that witnessed at least part of the American Airlines jet's final flight have been interviewed, and each pilot tells roughly the same story, Black said. Each pilot recounted that Flight 587 "wobbled," spiraled out of control, and went down at a severe nose-first angle, Black said.


Black said a construction worker shot video of Flight 587's takeoff roll, but turned his camera away as the A300-600's gear was retracting. Black did not indicate that the tape showed anything amiss with the plane during the departure, but investigators are hoping to talk with witnesses -- including airline crews -- that were on the ground as Flight 587 taxied out and took off.


Investigators have not determined if any debris was on the runway when Flight 587 took off, but Black said the board hopes to have more definitive information in the coming days.


All major parts of the plane have been recovered, Black said. The vertical stabilizer and rudder were pulled from Jamaica Bay. The rest of the plane, including both engines, came to rest on land.


Flight 587 took off to the northwest and investigators believe it completed about half a turn and was heading southeast when it began to break up. Black said the Airbus stopped sending transponder signals at an altitude of about 3,000 feet, indicating that something -- such as a major structural failure -- cut the unit's power. "Primary" target returns -- indicating aircraft or large pieces of debris without working transponders -- began at that point, Black said.


Tracing the plane's assumed flight path, the vertical stabilizer was the first piece of debris found, followed by the rudder about 200 yards further down the flight path. Both pieces were in the water, about half a mile from the main crash crater.


The plane's No. 1 engine ended up in a gas station parking lot about 700 feet from the crater, while the No. 2 engine came down in about 800 feet from the main crater. All of the debris is "more or less in a line," Black said.


A sweep of a 16-block area around the crash site turned up one additional piece of wreckage, and a helicopter flight over the area indicated that no major pieces remained in the shallow bay waters. Divers made 15 trips into the bay Tuesday and found nothing substantial, Black said.


Examination of the wreckage showed that the plane's flaps were retracted, which would be expected during a climb-out. The horizontal stabilizer jackscrew was in the neutral position, while the rudder trim actuator indicated a 10-degrees left displacement.


Black also released information on Flight 587's two pilots. The captain was a 16-year veteran of American and had 8,050 total flight hours, including 1,723 as the left-seat occupant on an Airbus A300-600. The first officer joined American in 1991 and had 4,400 total flight hours, including 1,835 as an A300-600 first officer.


Tuesday's progress meetings, attended by more than 100 investigators, included updates from most of the subgroups tasked with probing specific aspects of the accident. Progress reports from the maintenance, human factors, flight data recorder, and cockpit voice recorder groups are expected in the next day or two.


The maintenance group has been sent to Tulsa to review the A300-600's records, while the two recorder groups were working to extract detailed information from the plane's CVR and FDR.


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To: Anticommie
this is a sabatoge ... period.
41 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:39 PM PST by KQQL
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To: vannrox
Does the persistent use of the word "rattling" in the press accounts of this crash strike anyone else as odd . . . like it is being used as a euphemism for something else more sinister? Kind of like Clinton "groping" Kathleen Willey (somehow, by using this peculiar antiquated word, the press could make the whole event seem less offensive than "sexual assault", which would have been the normal description).
42 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:45 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: floriduh voter; yikes
I don't know where the plane had been immediately prior to JFK but here is some info from a FR thread from yesterday:

Miami International Airport Workers Being Questioned
News/Current Events
Source: Channel 10 News, WPLG
Published: 11/13/01
Posted on 11/13/01 9:35 PM Central by Freedom of Speech Wins

Miami International Airport Workers Being Questioned As for the crash investigation, Channel 10 News has learned that the FBI (news - web sites) is questioning workers at Miami International Airport.

The FBI is interviewing about 30 airport workers who came in contact with the plane, which came into Miami International Airport on Sunday.

Link to thread is here

43 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:46 PM PST by terilyn
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To: yikes
I heard it on several tv networks right after it happened and then nothing. Have you checked any Boston newspaper web sites? I swear they said it went from Boston, I don't know if it was immediately before as in that morning but prior to JFK.

However, at this time of day, the wake issue is in the forefront. The black box was sent to Florida because it was badly damaged and the manufacturer here was able to get a readout. Nothing yet but who knows? By tomorrow, maybe we'll know something.

44 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:50 PM PST by floriduh voter
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To: terilyn; yikes
This is interesting. Nothing on the Gulf Coast about this. This is more credible than the early info that I heard on tv. I bet they get search warrants for those guys in Miami's cars and residences. I heard today that there are Pakistani guys in charge of a health dept. in a Pa town. They were picked up too. Have to see if anything is on FR re: this.

Also, the FBI seems to be working through their tip list for 9-11. In Central Fla alone, they had 7000 tips to go through. They have a running list. Jeb our governor is doing a great job. He was the first governor to order troops to guard all our ports. I mean lots of natl guard.

45 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:51 PM PST by floriduh voter
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To: Ross Amann
The fact that the tail came off of the plane first indicates a likelihood that it was the initiating event and that there is a problem with its attachments to the fuselage. There also was a defect in this area on this plane when it was being delivered that was corrected before delivery. It was delamination of a composite structure in the area.
46 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:51 PM PST by Magician
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To: tuesday afternoon
Also, what do all the references to "I thought it was the Concord" mean?

It means that the sound was very, very loud!

When a normal jet goes over the Rockaways, it is loud. You can't hear the TV or radio and if you are talking on the phone, you have to suspend your conversation until it passes.

When the SST (the Concord) goes over it is extremely loud...ear piercing...it will wake you if you are sleeping (a normal jet doesn't) and it sets off all the car alarms. People in the streets or on the beach will stop whatever they are doing to watch the concord fly over...it is beautiful sight, looks like a giant bird in flight!

But I sure hated it when one would fly over my house at 8am on a Sunday morn...especially if I was out late on Saturday night!
47 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:52 PM PST by Beach_Babe
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To: Pharmboy
Popping noises can occur from a compressor stall in an engine. Which occurs when the engine is going through the air at too great an angle relative to the direction of its travel and isn't scooping air efficiently.

In this accident, this may have occured as the aircraft went out of control.

48 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:52 PM PST by Magician
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To: LikeLight
If the cause of the accident was the tail coming off, the rattling could have been the vertical stabilizer and rudder fluttering as they were starting to come loose.
49 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:53 PM PST by Magician
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To: Magician
Thanks for the info--you sound like an aeronautical engineer or pilot. If the popping was due to the engine angle, under what circumastances would that have occured first?
50 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:57 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Beach_Babe
Thanks. I figured someone from the area would know. One woman said "SST" and another said she thought it was the Concorde and ran outside to see.

Now, why was this particular plane so loud? Lower altitude than usual? I can't remember the timeline descriptions of the popping noise. Some described a noise like a sonic boom which doesn't sound like a popping.

51 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13:14 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: Pharmboy
Compresser stall occurs when the angle of attack of the engine relative to the airstream becomes too great for smooth flow of air into the engine.

In the case of AA587, loss of the vertical stabilizer would cause loss of control whose effects I can't anticipate precisely, but which would in effect result in the aircraft moving sideways, nose up or nose down relative to the airstream.

[I've been a private pilot for about 15 years]

52 posted on 11/16/2001 1:14:01 PM PST by Magician
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