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New Clues Deepen Flight 587 Crash Mystery
Aviation Now ^ | 11/14/01 | By Sean Broderick/AviationNow.com

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:52 PM PST by Solson

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A bit more detail in this article.
1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:52 PM PST by Solson
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To: Zordas
This confirms more of your thoughts...
2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:52 PM PST by Solson
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To: Avi8tor; Incorrigible; Grut; Smogger
FYI.
3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:56 PM PST by Solson
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Details On American Airbus A300 That Crashed In New York Nov. 12

Compiled By AviationNow.com Staff

12-Nov-2001 1:26 PM U.S. EST

Technical information on the American Airbus A300 that crashed near New York John F. Kennedy Airport on Nov. 12:

Aircraft Type: Airbus A300-605R

Registration: N14053

Manufacturer Fuselage No: 420

Rollout date: December 1986

Delivery date: July 12, 1988 to American Airlines by Airbus

Owner: Chase Manhattan Bank (leased to American Airlines)

Engines: Two General Electric CF6-80C2A5s

Airframe maintenance information

Last A Check: Nov. 11, 2001

Last B Check: Oct. 3, 2001

Last Heavy Maintenance Check: Dec. 9, 1999 (N14053 was scheduled for heavy maintenance visit in July 2002).

Engine Maintenance Information

No. 1 Engine: 694 hours since last overhaul

No. 2 Engine: 9,788 hours since last overhaul; 2,887 hours since last shop inspection. (Overhauls typically done every 10,000 hours).

Notes:

American operated 35 A300-600s, including N14053. Of the remaining 34, 10 are owned by the airline.

N14053 was the oldest of American's 35 A300-600s, although it was the seventh A300-600 to join the carrier's fleet.

Sources: American Airlines, Back Information Services, JP Airline Fleets Int'l.

4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:58 PM PST by Solson
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To: Solson
other facts clearly indicate that something went suddenly and terribly wrong shortly after Flight 587 left Runway 31 Left at John F. Kennedy Airport Monday morning.

Author wins the Booby prize for reporting the most obvious fact possible. He must've gone to school for years to be able to find out such facts as these.

5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:12 PM PST by Loopy
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To: Solson
The vertical stab is "it". Whatever went wrong started here. But...

"the vertical stabilizer was the first piece of debris found, followed by the rudder about 200 yards further down the flight path."

This seems odd, though. The rudder is attached to the fin; so, it should've come off with the fin. And, if it subsequently separated from the fin, why would it have been found further down the flight path. Significantly so -- since the airframe went down a half mile away, the rudder was a full quarter of the way further down the track.

Is the rudder also separately attached to the tailcone? So that it might have been left "hanging", before it too separated?

6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:14 PM PST by okie01
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To: Solson
Black said investigators noted "noises" on an air traffic control tower tape of communications between controllers and Flight 587. The noises -- which Black did not describe in detail -- were heard at about the time crew lost control. He did not say what the sounds indicated.

What kind of noise did they hear? Why no detail on this?

7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:15 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: okie01
The rudder is attached to the fin; so, it should've come off with the fin. And, if it subsequently separated from the fin, why would it have been found further down the flight path.

Perhaps the heavier piece fell more quickly which is why it was the first to hit the water.

8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:15 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: okie01
I don't consider the placement of the rudder in the debris field to be that great of significance simply because the rudder weighs much less than the vert. stab. Upon separation, the rudder could have easily floated 200 yards closer to crash site.

This is one thing I find interesting...

Black said the Airbus stopped sending transponder signals at an altitude of about 3,000 feet, indicating that something -- such as a major structural failure -- cut the unit's power. "Primary" target returns -- indicating aircraft or large pieces of debris without working transponders -- began at that point, Black said.

10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:16 PM PST by Solson
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To: Duke1983
It has to do with the official start time of the flight...ergo...when it leaves the gate.
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:18 PM PST by Solson
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To: Duke1983
"Am I missing something?"

Yes. I believe the 'takeoff roll' may indicate a roll maneuver to put the aircraft on its proper heading after takeoff, approximately 253 seconds into the flight. Just a guess.

13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:32 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Solson
Here's another Interesting Post
14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:32 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Solson; All
If anyone gets into a conversation about directional EMP, please flag me. I don't have time to read this thread or the responses, so forgive me if this idea is redundant and has already been discussed. Be back later.
16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:33 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Solson
"Black said the Airbus stopped sending transponder signals at an altitude of about 3,000 feet, indicating that something -- such as a major structural failure -- cut the unit's power."

Which occurred at 144 seconds, 37 seconds after the first "airframe rattle" (a travel distance of, say, a bit more than a mile-and-a-half).

Could the first "airframe rattle" be the vertical stab coming loose, but not separating? Then, could the "wake turbulence" mentioned at 114 seconds be a "weathervaning" effect from the slowly detaching fin? And does the second "airframe rattle" at 121 seconds denote the departure of the vertical stab and rudder some 6 seconds before one of the pilots announces "loss of control" at 127?

Seventeen seconds later, about half a mile away, the plane breaks up and goes straight down.

This chain of events seems to put the vertical stabilizer in its proper place on the flight path, a half mile short of impact.

17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:34 PM PST by okie01
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To: Solson
Please disregard my answer. Bloody Sam posted correctly.
19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:34 PM PST by Solson
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
What kind of noise did they hear? Why no detail on this?

I found that piece of information disturbing.

20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:35 PM PST by dawn53
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