Posted on 11/13/2001 5:09:23 PM PST by l33t
I don't understand anything about this stuff. What does a stabilizer intact have to do with proof of tampering? This former NTSB was saying it was important that the stabilizer was intact and that was suspicious to him. What does that mean? Any help ?
When are these NTSB people going to be honest about this?
would you feel better if you got to hear the pilots screaming as the ground came up at them? Anybody know how much of the transcript/audio from these sort of thing is usually released? Something like "OH GOD OH GOD OH PLEASE NONONO" Bet that would be neato keen to listen to.
I seem to remember some rag like the enquirer going to court to get the audio/transcripts from the Challenger disaster released- NASA turned them down out of consideration forthe families feelings.
That may or may not be a good reason, but I'll go with that ahead of unsupported allegations...
Again, nobody on this board, including me and you, knows what borght the plane down. But paraphrasing the tape isn't much evidence one way or the other, except insofar as it suggests nobody came motoring into the cockpit, screaming "death to america"
When planes just start "rattling" and falling apart for what the idiots at NTSB seem to be suggesting is no reason or "nothing to worry about," especially in the heightened awareness following the terrorist attacks everyone is paying extra care, something really is not right. Not right at all.
I agree with you. Here we are a nation that is being particularly cautious and then this happens and all of a sudden, right away the media and officials are ruling out criminal activity/terrorism. It's strange.
I recall on the voice tape in the PSA crash in San Diego in 1978 the last words of in the cockpit were: "This is it. Brace yourselves." and "I love you, Mom."
On the Radio they called the tower and said they were going down. Tower responded that they'd call the equipment. And the pilot radioed "Roger". The last communication even though obviously stressful continued to follow procedures.
Remember this next time you fly. These guys are professionals and they'll do their job to the end.
I'll hazard a guess. The tail section is probably too big to have been sheared off by flying debris. Ergo, unless there was an explosion, it would have to have been torn off by aerodynamic forces as the plane spiraled out of control. But, in that case, the first thing to go would have been the stabilizer, as it has the largest surface to volume ratio of the tail section, and the most fragile structure. Since the stabilizer survived, the tail did not come off due to aerodynamic forces, but due to an explosion.
Sound reasonable?
The investigation of TWA 800 was unlawfully taken away from the National Transportation Safety Board and given to the FBI which immediately began stonewalling all the credible eyewitnesses and evidence.
The government runs around and seizes FAA radar tapes and orders government employees and the military to say nothing about what they saw or heard. I think what is gone now is the trust of the public in the process of investigating these crashes. A number of people I have talked to said if American 587 is a terrorist-caused crash, the government will never admit to it. I agree with that.
The only response to all of this is for the public to stop flying until the government returns truthful disclosure to these investigations. If the average citizen can't be told why planes have crashed, why should anyone get on one?
Sound reasonable?
No. It was intact (minus the rudder) but broke off cleanly, and not scarred, suggesting it was aerodynamic stress, shearing the bolts. It wasn't struck by anything (at least on the right hand side, which is the side we saw in the pictures yesterday).
Tonight the handsome Brian Williams has a shrink as a guest! And this shrink is psychoelaminating why all of a sudden Americans don't want to fly!
Guy's going on and on about post-shock, blah,blah,blah.
Hey, look, way I figger....Bush is just going to have to get the army to force us on those planes at gunpoint.
Because it ain't mental illness to avoid anything that would lead us to disaster and death. Hell no! This is SANITY and airline stock be damned.
I truly believe this will all pass. Someday, in the not too far future I hope, it will be just a bad memory. THEN Americans will get on planes again.
Until then so far as this citizen is concerned the federal government is going to have to oversee those airports and should have been doing this before. And for sure they're going to have to do something about planes falling apart in mid-air.
All this hand wringing asking us to "fly and buy" ain't cutting anymore. And hey, it's perfectly ooooookaaaay to just hunker down for awhile.
They can lead us horses to water but STILL can't make us drink.
It was almost bizarre yesterday when they seemed so eager to reassure people that it's very safe to fly because the plane crash wasn't from terrorists but because all the planes are so old and poorly maintained, and also the ground crews can't detect problems that will cause a plane to fall apart 3 minutes into take-off. As if that would help us run out and buy plane tickets.
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