What is "Palaeo"conservatism?

My own questions | november 13, 2001 | Me

[JMJ333]

No. Joe believes in the existence an American pro-Israeli thought-control apparatus. He is right.

Some sort of congratulations must be due to the international Jewish thought-control apparatus. It must be comforting to American taxpayers, who pay billions in aid to Israel, to know that they are helping to subsidize Israeli efforts to see to it that free speech doesn’t get out of control in democratic countries, from Germany to Canada to Australia. In Switzerland, for example, a man has just drawn a three-year prison sentence for the crime of Holocaust denial. Presumably he too was “dangerous” — to someone.--Joseph Sobran--from the article "The dangerous David Irving

[Senator Pardek]

Well, let me explain what I meant. There's a lot of black/gay/female crackpots out there who believe that there's a straight white male conspiracy to keep everyone else down.

I don't believe these crackpots despise all straight white males - they have a deep-rooted psychological flaw, but they're not hateful - just like Sobran.

[Senator Pardek]

If "Crazy Joe" thought it was an "American pro-Israeli thought-control apparatus" instead of an "international Jewish thought-control apparatus", why does he refer to it as the latter?

[Senator Pardek]

LOL - the old "linky-poo" shuts 'em up every time.

[Architect]

True enough. The thought-control apparatus is international, although it is stronger in the US than anywhere else in the world (including Israel). David Irving is a tin hat, as Sobran quite clearly points out. Still tin hats do in fact point out flaws in the mainstream analysis and they help us improve our understanding of the world (Micheal Rivaro and Thomas Gold being prime examples).

I'm a little disturbed at Sobran's talk of a "Jewish thought-control apparatus" but I am sure that, with a little prodding, you could convince him that non-Jewish elements are important.

[Architect]

No.

[Architect]

what is this flaw? How does this conspiracy manifest itself?

[gcruse]

No.

they help us improve our understanding
of the world...Micheal Rivaro (sic)

If you say so.
 

[Torie]

I found it interesting when I took that political test on that website that listed 10 ideologies, that for me necon was first (conservatism second, centrist third), and paleocon was last, dead last.

I believe in free trade, an activist interventionist foreign policy, am not much interested in fighting the culture wars, am anti-nativist, not that paranoid of immigration (except well recently certain kinds of immigration), am rather secular, am not against domestic government activity as long as it works and is cost effective, to wit, it is prudential, and am glad the Confederacy lost. Paleos appear to be on the opposite side on all these issues.

Conservatism is indeed a big tent. Within it apparently inhabit folks that agree on next to nothing.

[JMJ333]

David Irving is a tin hat, as Sobran quite clearly points out.

I didn't really think that was clear at all, and I ripped that article to shreds because to me Sobran attempted to defend the indefensible.

However, I don't despise Joe. I regularly side with him on issues regarding the WONA, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Sobran has no love lost for Jews. As a Catholic, I say that he doesn't speak for me [or the RC church] on that issue. I'm pro-Israel.

[Architect]

I do. The secret to gaining understanding is to reflect on the facts they unearth while ignoring the explanations they advance.

[JMJ333]

"linky-poo" ...??? LOL

[Architect]

To me, Joe attempted to defend Irving from the barrages of the PC forces who wanted him destroyed for his views. Joe quite clearly made a separation between defending Irving from this vicious attack and defending the indefensible positions which Irving advanced. I support Joe in this. I find Irving reprehensible. The people who want to destroy him for his (mistaken? racist?) views are equally disgusting. Ostracism and a bit of civilized put-down are more appropriate punishments.

Unfortunately, this particular article doesn't actually denounce Irving's position (although any fair reading would lead one to conclude that Joe doesn't agree with him). This left him open to criticism. And to demagoguery on the part of those who would prefer that any critism of Israel be shouted down.

[Sabramerican]

defend Irving from the barrages of the PC forces who wanted him destroyed for his views.

Ostracism and a bit of civilized put-down are more appropriate punishments.

Gosh. Someone who didn't know would assume that Irving was the Defendant- when he was in fact the Plaintiff.

[gcruse]

defend Irving from the barrages of the PC
forces who wanted him destroyed for his views.

The way I understand it, Irving was suing
people for what they said about HIM.  And he
LOST.  So who was trying to destroy who
for their views?

[gcruse]

And to demagoguery on the part of those who would
prefer that any critism of Israel be shouted down.

Claiming international Jewish mind control IS
demagoguery.  You should step away from
that mirror before you actually smack yourself.

[annalex]

I don't understand your #75, sorry.

I was pointing out to Kevin the distinction between government policy and political philosophy.

[Sabramerican]

And of course Sobran, "defending" the Plaintiff, is arguing against the free expression rights of Lipstadt.

Amazing argument. Sobran does not agree with Irving but he will defend him against criticism.

How do you think "Jews" comes into the equation?

[JMJ333]

How do you think "Jews" comes into the equation?

Being part of the Jewish thought-control apparatus, you already know the answer to that! ;)