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David Irving is a tin hat, as Sobran quite clearly points out.

I didn't really think that was clear at all, and I ripped that article to shreds because to me Sobran attempted to defend the indefensible.

However, I don't despise Joe. I regularly side with him on issues regarding the WONA, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Sobran has no love lost for Jews. As a Catholic, I say that he doesn't speak for me [or the RC church] on that issue. I'm pro-Israel.

To me, Joe attempted to defend Irving from the barrages of the PC forces who wanted him destroyed for his views. Joe quite clearly made a separation between defending Irving from this vicious attack and defending the indefensible positions which Irving advanced. I support Joe in this. I find Irving reprehensible. The people who want to destroy him for his (mistaken? racist?) views are equally disgusting. Ostracism and a bit of civilized put-down are more appropriate punishments.

Unfortunately, this particular article doesn't actually denounce Irving's position (although any fair reading would lead one to conclude that Joe doesn't agree with him). This left him open to criticism. And to demagoguery on the part of those who would prefer that any critism of Israel be shouted down.

I didn't really think that was clear at all, and I ripped that article to shreds because to me Sobran attempted to defend the indefensible.

A simple test appears to be this: had the extento of the genocide was not a qeustion involving Jews --- if it were to involve the Roma people (Gypsies) or Khmer Ruge actions, say --- would he be as adamant to establish the "truth?"

Similarly, many people who criticise Israel on this board are often indignant and offended when they are suspected of being anti-Semitic (it is true that some Jewish respondents are too quick with such accusation; while the sensitivity is understable, I do not condone such hasty critism). They say that they are not prejudiced, they are simply "America first." If so, the same test applies: do they complain (ever) about out aid to Egypt, which in size comparable to that we give to Israel; or our support of Taiwan, which may indeed get us into WWIII.

It is perfectly legitimate to question and disagree with our position with respect to Israel. And it is perfectly fine to question the number of Nazi victims. But the aforementioned test appears to be rather effective in localizing the motives for the inquiry. Purhaps, it is no wonder, then, that many people conclude that "Sobran has no love lost for Jews?"