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What is "Palaeo"conservatism?
My own questions | november 13, 2001 | Me

Posted on 11/13/2001 12:10:56 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator

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To: Lurking Libertarian
Thank you very much for your thoughtful response. Shalom and blessings to you and yours, TG
221 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:17 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Architect
Irving was convicted

Somewhere above you wrote that you understood courts. LOL

he was a Hitler apologist and a Holocaust denier.... That does not make him an anti-semite

I know. Without the offical sealed dues paid Anti- Semite card in his name, there is just no proof.

If you were a comedy writer it would be funny. But, you're not- are you?

222 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:17 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
You are absolutely incapable of making any kind of distinctions whatever. If someone is not on the Amen Israel bandwagon, he's a Jew hater. Just like bubba la mubba and a half-dozen other people have accused me of.

You are pathetic. Goodbye.

223 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:21 PM PST by Architect
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Like Sharton, Sobran needs a "schtick" to play to the target audience, who lap up the anti-semite stuff.

I'm not letting either guy off the hook for using it, but I believe they're both too intelligent to really believe that stuff.

Perhaps I'm being naive, but I'm convinced Sobran says that stuff to ingratiate himself with the people who read him, and of course, to make $$$ (which is worse, in some ways, than actually believing it).

224 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:23 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
Sharton=Sharpton. Duh.
225 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:23 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Architect
"...Just like bubba la mubba..."
"...Jerks like you..."

Ha, Bart the Architecture of his own idiocy.
Crawl back to your terrorist masters, POS.

227 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:57 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba
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To: x
Re your post 216:

Thank you for your honesty and your consistency. I appreciate them both.

As to "neoconservatives," if you ever find a "neoconservative" publication advocating the restoration of the Biblical order, complete with Theocracy and animal sacrifices, kindly let me know. Since I advocate these things I will be proved a "neoconservative" if this is indeed their doctrine. But I have always suspected that the "neos" were worshippers of enlightenment western style democracy, secularism, and capitalism, and that they sought to justify a Jewish state in the ancient Homeland on those grounds--something that simply cannot be done, btw.

No, most Israelis are not like me. Most are secular, whether they are on the Left or Right. And here in the West, since the "emancipation" of Jews by the "enlightenment" even the most traditional religious Jews use "enlightenment" rhetoric to justify their practice of Judaism (you know, Jews have the "right" to observe Torah because "everyone" has the "right" to "personal autonomy," etc.--even the kippah, actually a symbol of submission to G-d, is now often justified as a sign of ethnic pride and the "tolerance" of multicultural America). I realize some of the things I say about full Torah Judaism (which is simply the Biblical Theocracy in exile with all that that implies) would not be said by any Jew. And what a shame that is.

It must be the function of us Fundamentalist Noachides to say these things to help prepare the world for the Eschaton.

228 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:02 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator
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To: Agrarian
Sorry for the bungled German, only as good as the available technology.
I mistook your post, as being an endorsement of Bart and his masters. Keep on cruisin' on
BTW - I am always "light".
233 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:56 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I don't know where you get your "European" orientation for Paleos. Paleos share a traditional American outlook that can be found in the writings of Russell Kirk, Robert Nisbet, M E Bradford, Richard Weaver, among others.
238 posted on 11/16/2001 1:14:17 PM PST by Pelham
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To: x
Another one of your inevitably eruidite and eloquent posts, but I don't think you grapple with what a mainsteam Paleo actually believes on the key issues in America at this place and time. I don't think there is much division. But IMO, most of it is wrongheaded, and/or ugly. It is all about closing the gates, and stopping economic and demographic change. It is highly interventionist domestically, while of course being isolationtionist and autarkic with repect to issues beyond our shores. And even if successful politically (which it will never be), it is doomed to fail in actual application.
239 posted on 11/16/2001 1:14:19 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
What is coming otherwise, the unified world state or something similar, is ugly. I don't think loyalty to the people one grew up with deserves such insults. If you live in New York or Los Angeles, the multicultural state is already your reality. But if you live elsewhere, it's something new and unsettling. In the past, our great hinterland insured that immigrants could be assimilated into a great, growing and vital American culture. Today, more and more of us are living in a multicultural world without borders and there is little guarantee that immigrants or even the native born will be assimilated to anything that past generations of Americans would recognize as American.

What's also unsettling is that the empire defines opposition to it as ugly and ignoble, while it devotes itself to increasing its own wealth and power. There is a hypocrisy there that pursues its own advantage in a mercenary fashion but demands that it be crowned with moral superiority at the same time.

I'd agree with you that alternative policies may not meet with success, but I marvel at how blind and stupid the empire can be. Imagine, now American conservatives have resurrected the philosophy of British imperialism -- as though we don't already know how that will end up.

We emphasize this or that fringe group and talk about how dangerous it is. Right now I suppose that's only natural. People are finding out that we are all a part of the same powerful, yet threatened, commercial country. We are all in the same boat now, sink or swim. But when this war is over we ought to give a little thought to where the country and the world as a whole are going and what is in store for us if we follow that path. Emphasis on this little dissenting faction, or condemnation of that small ideological group, ignores the question of just where the mainstream is headed.

Love them or hate them or just ignore them, movements like paleoconservatism are more important as responses to the mainstream and critiques of it, than as ideologies in their own right. Whatever happens to paleoconservatism, the dangers and deficiencies of globalization remain and we ignore them at our peril.

240 posted on 11/16/2001 1:14:43 PM PST by x
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