Posted on 11/12/2001 9:06:00 AM PST by t-shirt
Jet 'exploded into pieces'
Monday, 12 November, 2001
BBC Residents watched as firefighters battled the blaze
Eyewitnesses have spoken of their horror at seeing an Airbus A300 crash into a residential area of New York. Witnesses reported seeing a fire or explosion on one side of the aircraft as an engine fell off.
The plane then crashed into the Rockaway area of Queens.
I saw the flames and the smoke and I just thought, 'Oh no, not again'
Milena Owens, who lives yards from the crash site, said she was putting up Thanksgiving decorations on her window when she saw the plane fly far too low.
"I heard the explosion and I looked out the window and saw the flames and the smoke and I just thought, 'Oh no, not again'."
"The whole house shook," said Gus Cholakis, who lives 100 yards from the spot where some of the wreckage came to rest.
Resident's prayers
"I looked out the window, the first thing I saw was a huge fireball right outside."
Mr Cholakis, 38, said he had known 13 of those lost when the World Trade Center collapsed.
This neighbourhood has been through enough
Gus Cholakis
He admitted he was praying he had not lost more friends, adding: "This neighbourhood has been through enough."
John Maroney, 47, said the engine plummeted onto a Texaco petrol station near his house, and pieces of plane were only a few hundred yards away.
"That's probably what shook us up from our beds. The whole house jumped.
'Climbing position'
"We were all out there with fire extinguishers and hoses, but we couldn't do much."
Ethan Moses said he had seen the plane climbing in the sky after take-off.
It was travelling to the left slightly and then it just nose dived straight down
Ethan Moses , "It was in a climbing position and when I looked up I saw fire on the left side of the engine," he told CNN.
The wing appeared to separate from the rest of the plane, which veered to the left and then plunged into a nose dive, he said.
"It was travelling to the left slightly and then it just nose dived straight down," Mr Moses said, adding that fire spread on the ground, moving from house to house within seconds.
Phyllis Paul said she heard the plane's engine drone louder as it descended.
Falling metal
"It was very, very loud. Because of what happened on 11 September, it gave me a chill," she told CNN.
"It was getting louder and louder and I looked out the window. I saw a piece of metal falling from the sky."
The wings were going backwards and forwards like it was trying to balance itself
Phyllis Paul
Beverly Browne, from Brooklyn, said she saw white smoke coming from the plane before it crashed.
"The wings were going backwards and forwards like it was trying to balance itself. There was white smoke coming out of it.
"It just couldn't seem to stabilise itself. The next thing I knew it had crashed."
? David Solero was driving over a bridge by Rockaway when he saw fire on the left hand side of the plane.
He told CNN: "We looked up and saw the fire coming from the left hand side - it could have been an explosion."
Plane 'veered'
Other witnesses told reporters that the fire or explosion was on the right hand side of the plane.
Mr Solero added: "It could have been the engine was on fire.
I was scared it was going to veer towards us and hit us - we stopped dead in our tracks
David Solero, "It flew right over us, started to veer to the left then it veered back right.
"I was scared it was going to veer towards us and hit us - we stopped dead in our tracks.
"We saw something fly off the plane."
One woman fled her home, fearing she could be killed.
Concorde-like sound
She told CNN: "It was a huge, loud sound. It seemed so loud that I was like ducking almost.
"I just heard - it sounded like Concorde flying too low and then it just hit.
Eyewitness
-- "It blew up into a huge fireball and I jumped out the second floor of my house." "It hit the house behind me and I think it exploded into pieces."
"I went over the deck in the front of my house because the back was so hot."
"We were just in shock and we had to evacuate two streets away. It was so horrible." "There is a lot of terror here. Everybody is in shock."
"I was very, very lucky."
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Your reply: "Well, it's difficult to know where to start. I see multiple lies in the 1st couple paragraphs."
It appears you didn't even bother to click on the link in my posting. Try it now and you'll see that the lst couple paragraphs state as follows:
Most of those alleging a "missile shootdown" of the 747 misinterpreted the events observed by the witnesses because they assumed the Massive Fireball explosion was at 13,800 feet and that the fiery streak that immediately preceded and tracked to it was a missile.
But there is clear and compelling documented evidence that the Massive Fireball exploded far later in the sequence of events and far lower in the sky. The key to understanding what the witnesses actually saw is the altitude of the Massive Fireball explosion.
Now, click on the LINK, read it and extend the readers the courtesy of any meaningful rebuttal you might then consider appropriate.
This report was the first I heard of the incident. My buddy and I speculated that it sounds like a baggage compartment explosion. A few moments later, all the media outlets began to report that it was a mechanical failure, no reason to suspect anything other than a mechanical. Did anyone else hear this very articulate lady on the air? I have been puzzled by the disappearance of her account.
Yes, I heard this report and agree with your observations. As chance would have it, I've been home from work on the day of several recent tragedies, beginning with Columbine, and I'm concluding that there is a "window of truth" in national media broadcasts beginning at the event itself and lasting until the network spin is given to all the reporters. This lady's original interview fell into that window, but was pulled when the "mechanical failure" spin was handed down from the head office. Sadly, this window appears to be shrinking with each new event.
Why?
1. Flight 800: The Liberal Media (hereafter-LM) does not want the Clinton cover up of flight 800 talked about, which it surely will be if this event is declared terrorism.
2. Clinton blind eye to terrorism: The LM feels that more terrorist attacks will further enrage thinking people against Clinton's playing with Monica while Americans in the Mid-east and Africa were being bombed by terrorists.
3. President Bush's Policies: More terrorism will further unite the public behind President Bush and his War on Terrorism, and make the LM's goal of hammering the present administration on campaign finance reform, the economy, and other issues they loved prior to 9/11.
4. The LM is on the side of the terrorists: Have I gone too far with this one?
And that 30-Knot boat you are talking about in the TWA-800 case--well fibber Magee KALSTROM had it morphed into a helicopter. Which he didn't know where it came from or went.
Hundreds of people died, this is not time for your making fun.
This was described to me once as a "Dutch roll", the effect of a trailing wing losing lift and subsequently giving the opposite wing lift in a repeating motion similar to a swimmer's backstroke.
I'm having trouble picturing this. If the fuselage is the z-axis, are the wings alternately lifting in the x-y plane (like the plane was rolling on its belly) or alternating back and forth in the x-z plane?
Now that the black boxes have been recovered, let's ponder the eyewitness accounts like seeing "the aircraft burning...then the...engine fell off."
Just a thought...
Yes you certainly do enjoy bringing out the "best" of your idiotic wingnut theories anniegetyourgun-- the numerous actual witnesses say they saw an explosion and yet government wingnut lackeys like you try to bring out all kinds of goofy, outrageous theories to explain away what the actual witnesses actuallly saw.
Maybe next, you will try to think-up some theory to explain that the some right-wingers or militia members or even some Freepers committed the attacks the world trade center and that the Arabs involved in it were actually innocent???
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