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Florida recount study: Bush still wins
CNN.com ^ | 11/11/01 | AP

Posted on 11/11/2001 6:05:12 PM PST by Nataku X

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.

The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news media companies, including CNN.

NORC dispatched an army of trained investigators to examine closely every rejected ballot in all 67 Florida counties, including handwritten and punch-card ballots. The NORC team of coders were able to examine about 99 percent of them, but county officials were unable to deliver as many as 2,200 problem ballots to NORC investigators. In addition, the uncertainties of human judgment, combined with some counties' inability to produce the same undervotes and overvotes that they saw last year, create a margin of error that makes the study instructive but not definitive in its findings.

As well as attempting to discern voter intent in ballots that might have been re-examined had the recount gone forward, the study also looked at the possible effect of poor ballot design, voter error and malfunctioning machines. That secondary analysis suggests that more Florida voters may have gone to the polls intending to vote for Democrat Al Gore but failed to cast a valid vote.

In releasing the report, the consortium said it is in no way trying to rewrite history or challenge the official result -- that Bush won Florida by 537 votes. Rather it is simply trying to bring some additional clarity to one of the most confusing chapters in U.S. politics.

Florida Supreme Court recount ruling

On December 12, 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a Florida Supreme Court ruling ordering a full statewide hand recount of all undervotes not yet tallied. The U.S. Supreme Court action effectively ratified Florida election officials' determination that Bush won by a few hundred votes out of more than 6 million cast.

Using the NORC data, the media consortium examined what might have happened if the U.S. Supreme Court had not intervened. The Florida high court had ordered a recount of all undervotes that had not been counted by hand to that point. If that recount had proceeded under the standard that most local election officials said they would have used, the study found that Bush would have emerged with 493 more votes than Gore.

Gore's four-county strategy

Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a 225-vote margin statewide.

The news media consortium then tested a number of other hypothetical scenarios.

Use of Palm Beach County standard

Out of Palm Beach County emerged one of the least restrictive standards for determining a valid punch-card ballot. The county elections board determined that a chad hanging by up to two corners was valid and that a dimple or a chad detached in only one corner could also count if there were similar marks in other races on the same ballot. If that standard had been adopted statewide, the study shows a slim, 42-vote margin for Gore.

Inclusion of overvotes

In addition to undervotes, thousands of ballots in the Florida presidential election were invalidated because they had too many marks. This happened, for example, when a voter correctly marked a candidate and also wrote in that candidate's name. The consortium looked at what might have happened if a statewide recount had included these overvotes as well and found that Gore would have had a margin of fewer than 200 votes.

A county worker displays an optical scan ballot through a viewing window. The butterfly and caterpillar ballots

One of the most controversial aspects of the Florida election was the so-called butterfly ballot used in heavily Democratic Palm Beach County. Many voters came out of the polls saying they were confused by the ballot design.

According to the study, 5,277 voters made a clean punch for Gore and a clean punch for Reform Party nominee Pat Buchanan, candidates whose political philosophies are poles apart. An additional 1,650 voters made clean punches for Bush and Buchanan. If many of the Buchanan votes were in error brought on by a badly designed ballot, a CNN analysis found that Gore could have netted thousands of additional votes as compared with Bush.

Eighteen other counties used another confusing ballot design known as the "caterpillar" or "broken" ballot, where six or seven presidential candidates are listed in one column and the names of the remaining minor party candidates appeared at the top of a second one. According to the study, more than 15,000 people who voted for either Gore or Bush also selected one candidate in the second column, apparently thinking the second column represented a new race.

Had many of these voters not marked a minor candidate in the second column, Gore would have netted thousands of additional votes as compared with Bush.

However, the double votes on both butterfly and caterpillar ballots were clearly invalid under any interpretation of the law.

Limits of the study

The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago study was commissioned by eight media companies -- The Associated Press, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, CNN, the St. Petersburg Times, Cox Newspapers, The Washington Post and the Tribune Co., which includes the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, the Orlando Sentinel and Baltimore Sun, as well as other papers.

A county worker displays a punch-card ballot to a NORC coder. NORC used experienced staff researchers to supervise and train a larger pool of investigators, who then fanned out across Florida and personally examined 175,010 ballots provided by local election officials. The investigators recorded exactly what they saw on each ballot but made no attempt to determine whether the vote should have been counted.

From there, the media consortium took over, analyzing the raw data produced by NORC and drawing conclusions for various hypothetical scenarios.

As with any large-scale study, the NORC data is subject to some important limitations.

NORC reported serious problems with record keeping at many local election offices. NORC relied on these offices to produce the rejected ballots, but county officials were unable to deliver as many as 2,200 problem ballots to NORC investigators.

Although trained to produce accurate, impartial reports, the NORC investigators are human and prone to human judgment and error. In particular, NORC discovered that male investigators were more likely to record marks on ballots than women. NORC also found a slight but statistically significant relationship between candidate marks and the investigators' party affiliation.

Most importantly, there is no guarantee that the judgments of the NORC investigators would have matched those of local election boards had the recount been permitted to proceed under any scenario.


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To: Bubba_Leroy
Don't we all. ;)

Here's more whining from Democrats.com ... they keep telling us about the "facts" without giving us any "facts".

We waited for more than a year for 175,000 uncounted votes to be counted. Now the results are in, and the facts show that Al Gore won Florida. But Republicans and the corporate media cannot allow the public to see the truth - that Gore won and Bush lost - because that would expose the Presidency of George W. Bush as illegitimate. So the same people who helped Bush steal the Presidency are now trying to steal the Truth. This page is dedicated to exposing the monumental efforts by the media to distort the truth: that Al Gore won, and George Bush stole the Presidency with the help of Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, the U.S. Supreme Court, and the TV networks.

He who laughs last laughs the hardest! Let's gloat together, Freepers! We deserve it!

81 posted on 11/11/2001 6:55:11 PM PST by Nataku X
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To: Nakatu X
Everyone laughed when I said that NORC was run by HONEST DEMOCRATS, people who would care more about the truth than about finding a particular result. They are the best academic research organization in the country.
82 posted on 11/11/2001 6:55:56 PM PST by Professor Jim
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To: Nakatu X
Headline: Bush won because the rats didn't cheat enough! How unfair!
83 posted on 11/11/2001 6:56:20 PM PST by Gordian Blade
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To: esmith
McNasty has the nerve to mention NJ as a state with REPUBLICAN voter fraud? Geez, everyone in Jersey knows that Torricelli stole his senate seat with mob help and Corzine had limos driving homeless people from Philly to Camden to vote in his rigged victory. DemonRATS are such liars and hypocrites!
84 posted on 11/11/2001 6:57:40 PM PST by Clintons a commie
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To: Reagan's_Mom
Wonder if I'll still be seeing this headline when my 2-yr-old has kids.

Gore is a two-year-old.

85 posted on 11/11/2001 6:58:01 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Nakatu X
Does anyone undestand the election process laid out in our laws? I'm tired of people making this s--t up!
86 posted on 11/11/2001 6:59:01 PM PST by conway
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To: Nakatu X
So what was Drudge smoking when he posted his alert earlier this evening?
87 posted on 11/11/2001 7:00:05 PM PST by rintense
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To: Nakatu X
This is funny. The loons at DU are losing their minds over the headlines from CNN, Wash post, NY Times, etc. that keep rolling in declaring Bush won. But they are still claiming Gore won by thousands of votes. LOLOLOLOLOL
88 posted on 11/11/2001 7:02:54 PM PST by finnman69
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To: Lady In Blue
Welcome to the club.
89 posted on 11/11/2001 7:03:39 PM PST by zip
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To: Gordian Blade
They took the "error" ballots back out of the trash cans and tried to recycle them for Gore, didn't they?
That was really stupid.
Leave it to a democrap to think that one up!
. I'm sure their excuse is that they did it to save paper and the waste of a tree, or praise mother earth or something else really supid.
Glad to see the press becomming a little un-clintonized. The farce has gone on long enough.
I'm suprised to see how unbiased they were this time.
BTW, Drudge sucks.
90 posted on 11/11/2001 7:03:53 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: knak
I love this post. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
92 posted on 11/11/2001 7:05:30 PM PST by finnman69
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To: I'm ALL Right!
AAACK PHFFTHFTH!

Missouri DemocRats ALREADY have "Remember Florida" bumper stickers. They match the "Still for Mel" stickers.(Reference to dead governor when his wife ran on the sympathy party platform) sick people.

93 posted on 11/11/2001 7:09:29 PM PST by zip
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To: Nakatu X
This page is dedicated to exposing the monumental efforts by the media to distort the truth: that Al Gore won, and George Bush stole the Presidency with the help of Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, the U.S. Supreme Court, and the TV networks.

During that election fiasco, the TV networks and the newspapers were very blatant in their desire for Gore to win.

These folks have a very short memory.

94 posted on 11/11/2001 7:11:47 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: pray4liberty
They only understand two other words: "cheat" and "win."

80 posted on 11/11/01 7:54 PM Pacific by pray4liberty

Yes, and if they get caught cheating, they cry "racist" at the Repiblicans.

95 posted on 11/11/2001 7:12:39 PM PST by katze
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To: Nakatu X
This is the 8th, 9th & 10th time Bush has won!

As an offical "PB Co. Bush Observer", whom Carol Roberts personally accused of "changing the rules after the election," I can say it was

only because the Bush team sent in the "A Team" and had Governorsetc. as volunteer observers, etc., and Bush ahd the superiopr Legal argument and the beter team and that Bush's REAL margin was measurably greater than the numbers after tampering and vote stealing in Broward Co. & Palm Beach County, indicate, that the election wasn't stolen by Gore.

96 posted on 11/11/2001 7:14:10 PM PST by FReethesheeples
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To: pray4liberty
"The right is becoming increasingly bold in their demands. Now the slightest deviation from a right-wing agenda is greeted with a vicious, vociferous attack." DU Day care site.
It's about time the Republicans stood up against Marxism, eh?
It's our turn. It's about time.
Lets roll.
97 posted on 11/11/2001 7:16:00 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: pray4liberty
They all had poop-eating grins when the SC released the decision initially (remember how it was spinned as a Gore victory at first?)...

Judy Woodruff shed a tear or two when she finally realized that Gore's campaign was over 30 minutes after the decision. Remember? She had this big beaming grin... even said "When does the counting begin again?"... then she changed moods quicker than cockroaches scurrying from light.

I suppose we all were just imagining all that that night.

98 posted on 11/11/2001 7:16:12 PM PST by Nataku X
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To: zip
Thank you,zip!
99 posted on 11/11/2001 7:16:13 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: Nakatu X
For anyone who needs to see the BIG PICTURE as to the 2000 Election results, PLEASE click below.

BUSH COUNTRY

100 posted on 11/11/2001 7:19:06 PM PST by honway
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