(Liberal) PROTESTANT CHURCHES VIOLATE ELECTION LAW WITH IMPUNITY (catholic_list)

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[Notwithstanding]

In the last week before election day, November 6, there were several violations of constitutional law and IRS regulations committed by Protestant churches. For example, on October 31, New Jersey candidate for governor, James E. McGreevey, won the endorsement of the Black Ministers Council of New Jersey. The group represents 600 churches. On November 4, New York mayoral candidate Mark Green campaigned in “a string of black churches.” And over the weekend, there was a gubernatorial fundraiser at a black church in Trenton, New Jersey, for McGreevey; DNC chairman, Terry McAuliffe, was present. Catholic League president William Donohue spoke to this issue today: “Everyone knows what would happen if a group of Catholic priests, representing 600 churches, were to endorse a candidate for governor. Everyone knows what would happen if a candidate for mayor were to campaign at a Catholic Mass. Everyone knows what would happen if a fundraiser for a candidate for public office were to take place in a Catholic church. All hell would break lose.

[Notwithstanding]

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November 9, 2001

 

PROTESTANT CHURCHES VIOLATE THE LAW WITH IMPUNITY

 

In the last week before election day, November 6, there were several violations of constitutional law and IRS regulations committed by Protestant churches.  For example, on October 31, New Jersey candidate for governor, James E. McGreevey, won the endorsement of the Black Ministers Council of New Jersey.  The group represents 600 churches.  On November 4, New York mayoral candidate Mark Green campaigned in “a string of black churches.”  And over the weekend, there was a gubernatorial fundraiser at a black church in Trenton, New Jersey, for McGreevey; DNC chairman, Terry McAuliffe, was present.

 

Catholic League president William Donohue spoke to this issue today:

 

“Everyone knows what would happen if a group of Catholic priests, representing 600 churches, were to endorse a candidate for governor.  Everyone knows what would happen if a candidate for mayor were to campaign at a Catholic Mass.  Everyone knows what would happen if a fundraiser for a candidate for public office were to take place in a Catholic church.  All hell would break lose.

 

“Not one newspaper complained about what happened in black churches the week before the election in New York and New Jersey.  Not one television or radio commentator complained.  Not one word was heard from the ACLU, People for the American Way or Americans United for Separation of Church and State.  But the latter group did complain about Catholic bishops in New Jersey who urged voters to consider human life issues when they vote.

 

“What’s driving this is a curious admixture of racism and anti-Catholicism.  Quite simply, there are no standards for blacks and a double standard for Catholics.  The best thing that could happen would be if a black Catholic church were to hold a fundraiser for a political hopeful and then see what happens.  That would really throw a monkey wrench into the process.”

[Vladiator]

Regardless of whether the "Protestant" churches were right, I just have a really hard time with the statement that "What’s driving this is a curious admixture of racism and anti-Catholicism."

These guys see Guy Fawkes Day coming in "Touched By An Angel."

[Robert A Cook PE]

No "Black (Liberal) Churches" violate the law with impunity ...

Why?

Because the media (1) refuses to investigate and report anything that threatens the democratic party...

(2) The media are scared to death of being charged with racism, because the liberal minions of these "churches" have NOTHING but false claims of racism to sustain them ....

(3) The "leaders" of these racist "churches" have nothing but false claims of racism to keep their money. No morals, no integrity, no honesty. Only MEMORIES of their previous (and admittely true) discrimination.

[Notwithstanding]

You are intentionally and conveniently blind.

1) It is absolutely racism becuase one race gets a free ride on the issue of elctioneering from the pulpit.

2) It is anti-Catholicism because the press knows that the Catholic bishops would see to it that pro-abortion or anti-school-choice candidates would NEVER be endorsed by or allowed access to their pulpits - and so they are ravenous watchdogs when it comes to Catholic pulpits.

There is along and undeniable history of popular anti-catholicsm in the USA. It is much better in some ways now, but many policies and attitudes remain that are very anti-catholic. The animus used to be against the individual catholic who generally was devout and adhered to the Church's teachings - thus turning the Church into an alternative object of allegiance. Today the animus is against the Church leaders and teachings - most individuals are not so devout and do not always follow the teachings. But the moral force of JPII and the Catholic Church being the largest organization so comitted to traditional biblical values - well that makes the liberals scared and - sadly - it makes the some of the other conservative Christians a bit nervous becuase they do not like to see what they might consider to be the "whore of babylon" as the today's strongest biblical, moral force.

[Myrddin]

I have to agree with Robert Cooke's take on this. You are pushing the anti-catholic issue. The pulpits of black churches have been used by politicians for years as a means of garnering black votes. Black churches tend to be predominantly AME or Baptist from their historical roots in the south. The egregious behavior here is the use of church property for political purposes. As Robert pointed out, the press will never take the black churches to task for fear of being branded racist. I don't see the ACLU actively fighting this either.

[Vladiator]

Remeber: Just becuase your paranoid doesn't mean that somebody isn't out to get you.

[Torie]

Actually, the heading is tendentious and anti Protestant. An accurate heading would have been "Black Churches ...."

This really isn't a Catholic versus Protestant issue. And Black churches have been political since I was knee high to a grasshopper.

I also think it is a bit odious to post a Protestant bashing headline and then flag the "catholic list." It simply has a bad appearance.

Oh by the way, how is the election law being violated?

[AlGone2001]

I wonder how many Catholics aided in the elections of the various members of the Kennedy clan?

[Notwithstanding]

When people are out to get you, you become aware of it. The media HATE Cristians of all stripes and there is an anti-Christian animus that is very prevalent in the pop culture. But a special sort of hate is aimed at the one large institution (the Catholic Church) that still holds the traditional values that were mainstream a few generations ago and does not leave them up to popular vote:

all-male clergy
obedience to authority
absolute truth
existence of evil and hell
traditional roles for women and men
mothering as primary vocation for most women
sex reserved for marriage
valid marriages are forever - no exceptions
marriage is one man and one woman forever
abortion and euthanasia are absolute evils
Man's utmost dignity as created in God's image
Sex is never a recreational activity
homosexuality is dosordered and an objective moral evil
Sunday as a day to worship the Trinity (rather than to celebrate eachother)

[AlGone2001]

Why are you generalizing this as a Protestant issue, when it is declared that those churches involved are churches with black members? Why do you have to imply that Protestants are doing wrong, and that they are pro democrat? What exactly are your motives here?

Be point blank; is this a protestant issue, or is this an issue about black churches that vote and and aid democrats? If it's about the latter, the title is intellectually dishonest. A title of "A few liberal Protestant ......"

[Notwithstanding]

Wake up - the media despises the Catholic Church a hell of a lot more than any other simply due to its huge size and potential to influence voters.

Can you imagine the impact if Catholic churches could be politically active? The organizational structure and huge population of church-goers is potentially a captive audience.

There is the potential for the Church to be even more influential than the media and incumbents. That makes everyone afraid.

[Notwithstanding]

I added the word liberal to the title for areason - and you somehow did not see that word?

[AlGone2001]

“What’s driving this is a curious admixture of racism and anti-Catholicism.

That's a reach! It is also true that my church, with a very strong mixture of color and ethnicity would also get into trouble if it endorsed any candidate. Our church is 30-40% black, but I know a great deal of them personally. Just for the record, I can easily decalare that the blacks in my church voted at least 90% for President Bush.

We'd still get into trouble for endorsing a candidate, even though we have members from all over the world. This is not an anti-Catholic issue; it's an issue of a simple double-standard. Predominantly black churches can endorse any liberal candidate that they wish, regardless of their affiliation.

[Notwithstanding]

Yes, and some Baptists gamble and smoke and drink. No one thinks those folks are devout Baptists.

[AlGone2001]

I added the word liberal to the title for areason - and you somehow did not see that word?

I did, but the word "(liberal)" in the title does not imply that you are only speaking of select "protestant" churches. One could read that and determine that all protestant churches are liberal.

In fact, the end of your post goes on that say that the actions are both racist and anti-Catholic. How in the world is this anti-Catholic? Please!

[AlGone2001]

Yes, and some Baptists gamble and smoke and drink. No one thinks those folks are devout Baptists.

That is correct, but my issue was about how you article implies that "Protestants" are generally violating election laws. I was responding to the area of elections, while you are trying to go somewhere else. Why?

[Notwithstanding]

You are wrong - there are many black catholic churches in urban centers. They do not get to particpate in this game like the other black churches do. You are unwilling to admit that this is because everyone knows the US Bishops are ardently pro-life - which further fuels the media's/elite's anti-Catholic animus. The Catholic Church is an easy target - everything they hate all rolled into one big powerful package. It is so easy to hit a huge target like the Catholic Church. An anti-catholic story is a sure winner for any reporter - people take notice.

[Notwithstanding]

Because you pretend that pro-Kennedy "catholics" are somehow the protypical authentic catholic. They are no more prototypical authentic catholic than the drinking smoking gambling Baptist is a protypical authentic Baptist.

[patent]

This really isn't a Catholic versus Protestant issue.

He’s right about this, Notwithstanding. Liberal “catholic” churches have held events where pro-aborts like Hillary! go speak, and nothing happens to them. This isn’t Catholic v. Protestant, this is liberal v. Christian.

patent  +AMDG

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