(Liberal) PROTESTANT CHURCHES VIOLATE ELECTION LAW WITH IMPUNITY (catholic_list)

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In the last week before election day, November 6, there were several violations of constitutional law and IRS regulations committed by Protestant churches. For example, on October 31, New Jersey candidate for governor, James E. McGreevey, won the endorsement of the Black Ministers Council of New Jersey. The group represents 600 churches. On November 4, New York mayoral candidate Mark Green campaigned in “a string of black churches.” And over the weekend, there was a gubernatorial fundraiser at a black church in Trenton, New Jersey, for McGreevey; DNC chairman, Terry McAuliffe, was present. Catholic League president William Donohue spoke to this issue today: “Everyone knows what would happen if a group of Catholic priests, representing 600 churches, were to endorse a candidate for governor. Everyone knows what would happen if a candidate for mayor were to campaign at a Catholic Mass. Everyone knows what would happen if a fundraiser for a candidate for public office were to take place in a Catholic church. All hell would break lose.

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All Catholic parishes must take the offical position of being pro-life and pro-vouchers. No other major denomination requires that. No other major denomination has ALL of its parishes scrutinized - even the liberal black ones - for elction illegal activities.

Catholic churches are unfairly targeted for such vigilance because of the Catholic doctrine that abortion is always evil and that parents ought not be forced to attend God-less government schools.

You ought to see that this is actually anti-Christian animus that is exacerbated by the latent and long-standing anti-Catholicism of this nation. (Try reading a few Supreme Court opinions from 1850's to the 1950's in which the Justices all spew undeniable anti-catholic filth from the bench).

[AlGone2001]

Because you pretend that pro-Kennedy "catholics" are somehow the protypical authentic catholic. They are no more prototypical authentic catholic than the drinking smoking gambling Baptist is a protypical authentic Baptist.

Then tell us if you believe that most "Protestants" are liberal.

I am also very sorry that you seem to have a real axe to grind with Baptists. Incidentally, I am not a Baptist. Also, just for the record, I don't smoke or drink. It's been 10-years since I've done either. Also, I don't gamble. I used to do that alot, but that was 15-years ago.

If you are aiming your Baptist-bashing at me, you've found the wrong target. Just because I'm from the south does not make me a Baptist, although I was fomerly Baptist. I know a lot of Baptists who are excellent role models for the Christian lifestyle. I know some Catholics who are, as well.

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No - the history is that either the bishops come down on these churches or the liberals themselves do for fear that a precedent will be set for Catholic pulpits. Think about it - if a black catholic church does it then it is impossible for a white conservative catholic church down the street to be denied. The woggles all know this and realize that all Catholic churches are off limits.

[Hail Caesar]

Catholic bump!

BTTT

[AlGone2001]

All Catholic parishes must take the offical position of being pro-life and pro-vouchers.

that's interesting. Does each member also have to take an official position before they become members? Do thay also have to take a vow not to vote for a Kennedy, as those guys love abortion? Does the parish excommunicate, or withdraw mwembership of any of its members known to support a pro-choice candidate?

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You are really trying to hard to make my defense of the authentic devout Baptist behavior (no gambling/drinking/smoking) into anti-Baptistism. That is cute. It is also ad hominem. Desperation?

[rwfromkansas]

While I don't like the idea of Protestant churches endorsing the liberals, at the same time.....what kind of idiot came up with the idea this is unconstitutional? A church can endorse a candidate if it wishes. Now, of course that endangers its tax-exempt status, but it should not and would not if liberals did not run crazy restricting religion.

[AlGone2001]

Try reading a few Supreme Court opinions from 1850's to the 1950's

Since you refer to that, are you also going to take personal responsibilty for slavery? If you aren't, then why can you take me to the same era, and assume that I should feel as though I'm a Catholic basher?

There are some real idiots in government. They've been there a long time.

[rwfromkansas]

I do not think there is any possible Biblical interpretation that would allow for drinking or smoking to be wrong, if done in moderation. In regards to gambling, probably the Baptists are right in frowning on that.

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THE MEDIA AND THE ELITISTS ALL HATE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEY HATE IT. THEY HATE IT EVEN MORE THAN JERRY FALWELL AND PAT ROBERTSON (WHOM I ADMIRE). THEY WILL NEVER LET THE PRECEDENT OF CATHOLIC PULPITS BEING USED AS CAMPAIGN STOPS BEGIN - EVEN THOUGH IT NECESSITATES DENYING LIBERALS USE OF THOSE PULPITS. THE KENNEDY POLITICIANS HAV BLOODON THIER HANDS AS DO ALL THE PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS WHO VOTED FOR THEM. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS BIGGER AND MORE POWERFUL - AND THEY ARE AFRAID IT MAY NOT BE UNDER THEIR THUMB.

[AlGone2001]

Just for the record, this is the title that your source gave to the article:

PROTESTANT CHURCHES VIOLATE THE LAW WITH IMPUNITY

Tell me, do you think that they are being intellectually honest with that title? Would'nt you have a problem if a title on the Southern Baptists website was title as:

CATHOLICS VOTE FOR KENNEDYS WITH IMPUNITY

Be honest!

[AlGone2001]

Why are you yelling? Can't defend your positions? Victims like to yell, don't they? A victim is the way that you always present yourself.

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If you do not think that any racism that does exist today is partially tied up in the history of slavery then you are foolish. History influences our thoughts and attitudes. The cultural norm of slavery and opression of blacks did not just disapper - remnants remain.

The US cultural norm of anti-catholicism does not just disappear. Remnants remain. You refuse to believe that. Fine. The official US anti-cathoicism is on record the vigilance over political campaigning from Catholic pulpits is a remnant of that history.

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Individuals can vote for whomsoever they wish. By law churches (that are tax exempt) cannot campaign for whomsoever they wish. Your analogy is a loser.

Thick folks need a good yellin' once in awhile.

[AlGone2001]

The cultural norm of slavery and opression of blacks did not just disapper - remnants remain.

Duh...

I detest the fact that slavery ever happened. I have many VERY close black friends. My point is that I am not responsible for slavery, or another's racist attiude. Neither am I responsible for any anti-Catholic attitude that any judge may have had (or currently holds. Just because someone in the pas might have been openly anti-Catholic, does not make me his partner, especially if it ocurred somewhere in the neighborhood of 160-years ago. Do you agree?

[Torie]

This thread is going down hill fast. If I were you, I would abandon it. I certainly am. At the rate it is going, it will probably be cyberspaced in any event. Just a thought.

[AlGone2001]

This has been very educational, but I've got to go to church. See ya tomorrow. Good night.

[Vladiator]

I think you overestimate the general non-Catholic populace's interest in Catholicsm. I think the vast majority of the people (including the cloudy generalized entity you call the "media") really couldn't care less.

You can go ahead and wear your Catholicsm as a badge of honor, waiting for a perceived enemy to outrage you. I'm sure you'll find them if you continue to look hard enough.

It's my experience that people generally respect my beliefs, although they might not agree with me. If you feel persecuted because Bryant Gumbel doesn't lead the rosary every morning, then maybe you should move to Afghanistan - - at least they have a strong respect for one religion there.

[Protagoras]

valid marriages are forever - no exceptions

Hmmmmmm, he says, raising his eyebrows.

Not Catholic bashing, just wondering whether this is an official list or yours. I have known quite a few people who have had their marriages annulled, after long, long periods of time. Seems that for reasons unspoken they had marriages that were not "valid", even after several children. Without exception it was after large contributions had been made.

Time for a little reality check here.