Anthrax Threats Mass Mailed to Abortion Clinics

Los Angeles Times ^

[toenail]

"The law. Read it, digest it, get a clue."

I've read the Constitution ("...to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."). I've read about the separation of powers, where the judicial branch doesn't write law. I've read memo excerpts from SCOTUS justices where they blatantly stated that (at least) part of the Roe v. Wade decision was "legislative" and "arbitrary." I've read subsequent decisions where some SCOTUS justices admit that Roe v. Wade was a bad decision, but they leave it be, for the sake of continuity.

Committing abortions is not legal. It's tolerated and advocated, but that doesn't make it legal. Not under our Constitution anyway.

[FITZ]

I think they're going to make being pro-life a "hate crime". I doubt very much anyone other than Planned Parenthood themselves mailed these so-called threats to the clinics. They are the biggest liars of all.

[toenail]

"You cannot prove that a fetus is a person any more than you can prove that any human sperm cell and egg cell considered together constitute a "person"."

Deluded sophistry, as I mentioned. I'll stick with science; you can mutter about philosophical theories.

[FITZ]

I missed this one. Was it publicized at all?

Planned Parenthood is trying to capitalize on the current tragic events. When the anthrax first came out, they mailed themselves some envelopes filled with powder and cried they were exposed to anthrax.....but never shut a single clinic down, supposedly allowing their "patients" to be exposed, because they knew it wasn't a real threat. This is only their latest gimmick.

[FITZ]

It's best to ignore those who would kill their own offspring.

[CyberCowboy777]

"All of the anti-abortion zealots who assert that "abortion is murder" give aid and comfort to abortion clinic attackers"

I believe that abortion is murder, I do not "support" any such movement. You assume too much and show your ignorance on the issue. I give no aid or comfort to groups or individuals that condone or participate in illegal acts. That can't be said by many environmentalist.

"Murder is defined as the unlawful and malicious killing of another, and abortion is not illegal, not malicious, and cannot even be proved to be the killing of another person."

You are wrong, Murder is defined as the taking of Human Life by another human without just cause (as in self-defense, which is also clearly defined). A Fetus is Human by all scientific standards and is alive which constitutes Life. It has separate and distictive DNA, Blood and Brain Waves. Whether it is dependant on another's care for survival is not relevant.

So, in fact stopping a Human from living without just cause is Murder. And a Fetus is a Living Human. That makes Killing a Fetus a Murder. This is not a moral question but a Scientific one, easily explained by simple formula (a (Human or not) + b (Alive or Not) = c (Human Life or Not)). Only idiots complicate the simple.

BTW - Why do you think there has never been a Popular Vote on the issue?

[toenail]

"It's best to ignore those who would kill their own offspring."

It's not best for their offspring.

[CyberCowboy777]

Bump on #41

[toenail]

"BTW - Why do you think there has never been a Popular Vote on the issue?"

There was a popular vote on it. We call it the ratification of the Constitution, of which one of the stated purposes is "to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." The pro-death camp would have us believe that killing our posterity secures our posterity's blessings of liberty.

What there hasn't been a vote on, and the pro-death crowd will never ask for it, is if we can change our Constitution to limit protection to extrauterine persons only.

[toenail]

Starter reading:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/roe_v_wade_is_not_a_law.htm

http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~rauch/seamless/articles/roe/woodward.html

[CyberCowboy777]

Just as it is his DUTY to enforce Federal Law concerning Federal Regulated Drugs. Is he to just ignore that part? Like Reno did...."I know it is the law, but in Oregon we will ignore it" He can't chose which laws are enforced. State Law does no supersede Federal Law. Grant Vs. Lee decided that.

BTW- Oregon screwed up when they wrote the law. They are the one who "Involved the Government". What was the state going to do if you offed yourself? Put you in jail? They wanted Government help, to make it easy and to make money. It has nothing to do with death with dignity. It was also poorly written with purposeful loopholes. That is what got them into trouble.

Also, Oregon's law still stands, they can use non-federal drugs. Kavorkyan (?spelling?) made a nice living using non-federal drugs.

[hocndoc]

Last month's mailings also went to at least one pregnancy crisis center (definitely not an abortion clinic). However, no mention of this fact in this article.

There's also no mention of attacks on abortion clinics by abortion supporters, such as Frank Mendiola, which are done in order to get sympathy for the pro-abortion cause.

[Poohbah]

One issue we've had at my company is people stealing FedEx account information and sending packages on our nickel. FedEx doesn't car, they say the account holder is responsible for protecting the information.

[hocndoc]

You are wrong. You do not like to hear that abortion is murder, but to point out that abortion kills innocent human beings - to the tune of 4000 plus a day - is not endorsing any other killing. In order to aide and comfort, I think, would require much more.

(BTW, did you see how I qualified an opinion? You should do the same in your posts)

[evilsmoker]

Is that you Dr. Death??

[hocndoc]

"Person" is a legal term that even includes corporations. Human is not as ambiguous. Rights do not eminate from Supreme Court rulings or laws passed by Congress - It is only in their power to violate, not create or bestow rights. Abortion kills humans.

Never forget the Dred Scot decision - Mr. Scot was not a person under the full legal sense of the law, either.

The current division of humans into two classes by stage of development will pass just as the old divisions of race and gender.

[prisoner6]

Care to explain why you don't think committing abortions is not murder?

Yes. Of course it IS murder, albeit sadly a LEGAL act at this point in time.

The way to change it to an ILLEGAL act is to work within the wonderful system of our Constitution. Change the law to make abortion ILLEGAL.

We do NOT do that by acting as self imposed - or as in the case of the Army of God and their ilk extremists moved by God - judges, jurists and exectuioners! You do not commit an illegal act to rectify another unless you want to scrap the entire framwork of our legal system!

Have to cut this short, something bigger's afoot!

prisoner6

[toenail]

I think you're responding to something I never said. Thanks anyway.

[Steve_Seattle]

Wow - a story about anthrax threats has morphed into a debate about abortion.

[FITZ]

It's not best for their offspring.

That's true, at least the ones not yet killed. It would be best for every mother to give her baby a chance to have it's life, adoption is also good.