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A Time for Harry Potter
National Review ^ | 10/27/01 | Thomas Hibbs

Posted on 11/09/2001 8:04:52 AM PST by jrherreid

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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You've proven my point. You do not have children.

Where did I say that? Or did you just assume, like you assume things about the books you are discussing?

Therefore, on a deep level you do not comprehend the mistrust parents have for books about witchcraft aimed at their impressionable eight-year-olds, or the contempt parents hold for those who would corrupt their kids under the guise of "literacy."

I see a lot of parents on this thread who do not hold these paranoid objections that you do. I thought because they had children they were experts on Child Behavior and Development?

Read whatever you want. Just don't tell me you understand anything about the mind of a four-year-old, except what you remember from your own childhood, what you've seen on TV, or what you've read in the Child Psychology 101 syllabus.

Hmmm... If I recall my under-grad work in psychology, Intro to Psych was 101, Child Psych was 211, Behavioral Development was 345, and Patterns of Learning and Memory was 440. Of course, if I don't have children, education about development is nonsense; almost like magic, huh?

Because that's not proof enough for most parents that you know what you're talking about, especially those parents who've read Rowling for themselves and find H.P. vapid, derivative and dangerous.

Declaring Rowlings "vapid" and "derivative" shows that either you have not read her writings or you have no ability to recognize good writing. Good Doctor, please quit trying to change the debate when you are losing. I answered your challenges in full and instead of a rebuttal, I recieve a reply full of indignation that I can't understand children. Bad form.

122 posted on 11/12/2001 5:15:56 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Zadokite
Evidently you have chosen to ignore the profoundly Christian message of "A Christmas Carol". And I can't do anything about that.
123 posted on 11/12/2001 8:55:22 AM PST by jrherreid
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
"I believe in magic."

Why am I not surprised?

I've read all H.P. books, and you have no idea of my literary qualifications. Unfortunately, you've shown yourself to be what so many parents fear -- an 'expert' on other people's children.

After you've raised a few kids, we'll talk some more.

125 posted on 11/12/2001 6:52:08 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Aquinasfan; OWK
"Parents object to the fact that Harry Potter glorifies witchcraft to young, impressionable minds. Rowling presents a perverse, Godless world order that looks to be lots of fun."

That is your position that I rebutted. Now defend it. You call yourself a parent, but you argue like a child. You won't defend your position, you merely assume that I don't have children and therefore can't understand children. Obviously, good doctor, any doctorate you hold cannot be in a scientific field. Your debating skills are laughable. I don't want to hear again how I am unqualified to understand children, you don't know my qualifications, I want to hear your defense of the above assertions in light of the rebuttal I have given. Anything less is diversion and distraction. Now, do you have the intellectual ability to do so, or are you going to continue to disqualify me based upon assumption?

Aquanisfan, we agree about a lot, a whole lot, but we disagree about this issue. I respect your position and respect your ability to rationally discuss it. This is the type of "defense" of your position though that I have repeatedly stood up against. Please understand why so many get frustrated about this issue from my side. It is the lack of any ability to do anything but say "I'm right, you're wrong, and you are unqualified to speak about it."

OWK, we disagree on a lot, a whole lot, we even disagree a bit on this issue. I implore you however, to take note that Aquanisfan does indeed defend his position and stick to the topics raised during rebuttal. He does not run on a tangent nor try to disqualify anybody from discourse. With the movies coming out in the next few days, I see a pick up in these threads. Let us all agree that we will conduct ourselves in good faith towards defending what we believe and in furthering thought upon this issue.

126 posted on 11/13/2001 6:14:45 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
It is the lack of any ability to do anything but say "I'm right, you're wrong..."

You're not one of those types, and I don't consider myself one of those types, but you have to admit that the pro-Harry side certainly does its share of religion (i.e. Christain) baiting. You can form your own judgement regarding which side is worse.

127 posted on 11/13/2001 6:24:34 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
No doubt there, I just want to try to reach some sort of consensus on what is and is not acceptable forms of debate on this issue. Those who have been around know what JimRob will do to any threads on the subject if the flaming and "arguing" get out of hand with no real debate going on. This is a discussion forum, and while debate is a legitimate form of discussion, flame wars and long threads without anything but {Post 198} "Is so" {Post 199} "Is not" {Post 200} "Is so" is a waste of bandwidth.

Soon, however, the focus of the Hollywood propaganda machine will focus on LoTR and away from Harry Potter, and we can all relax a bit.

128 posted on 11/13/2001 6:30:25 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Aquinasfan
You're not one of those types, and I don't consider myself one of those types, but you have to admit that the pro-Harry side certainly does its share of religion (i.e. Christain) baiting.

I'll just let this one hang out there in the breeze a bit.

129 posted on 11/13/2001 6:30:52 AM PST by OWK
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To: jjbrouwer
Oh, please DO... I'll make the popcorn. Sit back and watch the smackdown. :^D
130 posted on 11/13/2001 6:32:12 AM PST by austinTparty
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To: Aquinasfan; jjbrouwer
Well cover me in honey and call me Shirly another Harry Potter thread, just what we need.

Cheers Tony

131 posted on 11/13/2001 6:34:29 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
This is a discussion forum, and while debate is a legitimate form of discussion, flame wars and long threads without anything but {Post 198} "Is so" {Post 199} "Is not" {Post 200} "Is so" is a waste of bandwidth.

I think that would eliminate about 90% of the posts! Anyway, sometimes the flames are good for a laugh.

132 posted on 11/13/2001 6:36:22 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: tonycavanagh
Well cover me in honey and call me Shirly another Harry Potter thread, just what we need.

This one's been around for about a week, and was beginning to die out...

133 posted on 11/13/2001 6:38:09 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan; tonycavanagh
about to die...

Don't forget Tony and I are both British heathens who have the power to raise the dead!
134 posted on 11/13/2001 6:44:56 AM PST by jjbrouwer
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To: OWK
There you are. Did you figure out how that grayscale-encoded topographic information was imparted to the linen yet?
135 posted on 11/13/2001 7:46:18 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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137 posted on 11/20/2001 1:37:55 PM PST by f.Christian
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138 posted on 11/21/2001 8:50:04 AM PST by f.Christian
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