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To: Andrew Wiggin
It is precisely because they are trapped in their religious beliefs that they are technologically backwards. They were ahead of Europe for centuries, but turned their backs to science because of the questions it raised. Imagine if Gallileo & Co. had agreed with the church that the sun really did revolve around the Earth; this is much like what happened with Islam.

But the reason the West has flourished technologically is not because it has abandoned religion in favor of secularism, but because its first universal religion had dogmatized the rationality of the universe and man's ability to know it. Skepticism is a constant companion of secularism, and a skeptic can hardly do science if he doubts his own ability to know anything outside himself.

JasonC has written a very interesting interpretation of history on this thread. For instance:

The paradox must be fully faced. The [rejected] Islamic philosophy that thought relatively highly of the powers of human reason and opposed skepticism, and which relied heavily on Aristotle (and some Platonic notions), was in the west incorporated into -church- doctrine, into Acquinas. Which the later forces were reacting -against-.

The secularizing skeptics (like Hobbes and Hume) were -opposing- that doctrine in the Enlightenment, not endorsing it. They were effectively saying, scholastic philosophy cannot really know about such things, and its pretences that it does are vain. And the Protestants were also opposing it, though for somewhat different reasons. They argued that the church had put falliable human reasoning where it didn't belong and thus distorted scripture, and drew the conclusion that literalism was a safer policy to ensure orthodoxy.


20 posted on 11/08/2001 12:16:06 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: Dumb_Ox; JasonC; ThanksBTTT

33 posted on 11/08/2001 1:56:20 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Dumb_Ox
Thanks for putting in that link to the really great discussion between JasonC and GOPCapitalist re: Islamic philosophy. I missed it the first time around, and it was great reading. Well, until it deteriorated under the influence of someone with a different agenda, that is. But one gets used to that on FR.
93 posted on 11/09/2001 9:10:51 AM PST by livius
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