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To: Askel5; Alamo-Girl; Nita Nupress; t-shirt; LarryLied; backhoe; muggs; OKCSubmariner...
Pinging several FReepers, including some of the people who follow the OKC threads ... FYI.
226 posted on 11/08/2001 11:25:27 PM PST by JudyB1938
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To: JudyB1938
"Worrisome" isn't quite strong enough to describe this.... so we are nurturing a Fifth Column in our own back yard? And being admonished to be "tolerant" while this vermin plots against our country?

It's horrific, and one thing really bad about it?

Pakistan—The Chief Patron-Promoter
of Islamic Militancy and Terrorism


These guys have nukes! Cute!
All I can think to do is use these:

Communicate! Let the Sons of....

to spread the story like we did the "Northcut & TJ" story, and hope the idjits wake up in time....

240 posted on 11/09/2001 1:06:53 AM PST by backhoe
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To: JudyB1938
Thanks so much for the ping. I don't have time to read the thread right now, so forgive me if someone has already dug this up. There's more but I don't have time right now. Maybe tonight or tomorrow.

Ummm.... Has anyone mentioned yet that this is a black Muslim group? This will be interesting to see how the feds get around the PC police to start making arrests.

Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

The Buffalo News
June 28, 1993, Monday, City Edition

NEWS; Pg. 1

TERROR PROBE EXPANDS TO BLACK MUSLIM GROUP
From News Wire Services

NEW YORK --  The widening investigation of the latest terrorist bomb plot may touch on a radical Black Muslim group that authorities have linked to a string of firebombings and other violence, aimed mostly at other religious groups.

Law enforcement sources were quoted Sunday in New York Newsday as saying Clement Rodney Hampton-El -- the only U.S.-born suspect among the eight men, five of whom were Sudanese nationals, arrested four days ago -- is a member of the organization, called Fuqra. The name is derived from the Arabic word fuqr, meaning poverty.

The FBI had no comment on the organization or any connection with Hampton-El, spokesman Joe Valiquette said Sunday. There was no suggestion that Fuqra had other ties to the group of Muslim fundamentalists who, the FBI says, were preparing to bomb the United Nations, a federal office complex housing FBI offices and the Holland and Lincoln tunnels connecting Manhattan with New Jersey. But Hampton-El's alleged assignment -- to provide the explosives -- piqued interest in his purported involvement with the group that is suspected of 16 bombings, half a dozen murders and several other acts of violence across the United States since 1979.

Fuqra was said by some reports to have ties to Pakistan. Newsday quoted an internal FBI memo saying the group's enemies list has included Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Hare Krishnas, other Muslims and the U.S. government. The newspaper, quoting law enforcement sources, also said a recent "suspicious" incident had prompted officials to assign federal marshals to protect an assistant prosecutor and the federal judge in the World Trade Center bombing case.

It said the incident occurred near the home of the unidentified government attorney about a month ago. U.S. District Judge Kevin Duffy was given special escort to and from court as a precaution, it said. Neither the FBI nor the Marshals' Service would comment on the report.

In another development, the Sunday Patriot-Ledger in Harrisburg, Pa., said FBI agents raided a central Pennsylvania farm, owned by a Muslim who also operates a shooting range and gun shop on the property. They brought along Navy divers who spent several hours searching a pond for an undisclosed purpose.

David J. Malarney, agent in charge of the FBI's Harrisburg office, said authorities were investigating whether farm owner Kelvin Smith was linked to the bomb-plot suspects, but refused to say if they found anything.

Smith told the Patriot-Ledger he had no connection to the group and didn't know whether any of its members had visited his firing range. Smith cooperated with the investigation, federal authorities said.

"They (the agents) didn't find anything. They didn't take anything. They gave me my guns back," he told the newspaper.

Authorities believe the shooters may have panicked under the pressure of mounting surveillance and thrown into the pond the firearms they intended to use in attacks on U.S. and foreign officials.

Fuqra reportedly has several rural retreats established over the years by sect members at locations from South Carolina to the Colorado Rockies and the California desert. Newsday said authorities estimate that Fuqra has 1,000 to 3,000 members in the United States.

The sect's U.S. origins can be traced to 1980, when Sheik Mubarik Ali Jilani Hasmi of Pakistan began preaching at a black mosque in Brooklyn.

He later returned to his base in Lahore, Pakistan, but has traveled to the United States a number of times, authorities said.

U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials say that U.S. members of Fuqra regularly send money to the sheik in Pakistan, and that some members have traveled to Lahore for religious indoctrination and terrorist training.

Terrorism specialists suspect that Fuqra is supported -- or at the least condoned -- by influential Pakistani government officials.

Politicians and others, meanwhile, are clamoring for the arrest of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian Muslim cleric, who some believe influenced the plot to blow up parts of the city and the Feb. 26 bombing of the Trade Center.

The sheik, who has a Jersey City, N.J., store-front mosque, is appealing a deportation order for entering the United States in 1990 under false pretenses.

Politicians, including New York City Comptroller Elizabeth Holtzman, U.S. Rep. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., and U.S. Sen. Alfonse D'Amato, R-N.Y. -- reportedly the target of assassins -- have urged the government to take action.

"This man has been tied to the assassinations of Anwar Sadat and (Rabbi) Meir Kahane, the bombing of the World Trade Center and now this horrible plot to blow up the U.N. and city arteries," State Attorney General Robert Abrams said Sunday. "I think the U.S. should stop pussyfooting around with this guy and use the strongest sanctions, ranging from arrest to deportation."

"Surely we are aware of where the sheik is," Carl Stern, a Justice Department spokesman, said Sunday. "If matters are being handled the way they are there must be a reason for it."

The New York Times reported today that the Clinton administration decided not to arrest the sheik even though federal law enforcement officials concluded he knew details of the plot to detonate four bombs in the city.

The officials told the Times that the decision was made after a series of meetings Tuesday. The final decision was made by Attorney General Janet Reno on legal and tactical grounds, including the cleric's usefulness as a link to Muslim extremists.

In addition, the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said they didn't have information about his precise role and how directly he might have been involved.

Ms. Reno has been briefed about the evidence involving the sheik, which reportedly includes FBI wiretaps on which the sheik participates in conversations about the planned bombing campaign.

FBI agents raided the sheik's Jersey City apartment Thursday and seized books and documents.

Some reportedly were related to Siddig Ibrahim Siddig Ali and Hampton-El, allegedly key players in the recent plot.

Sheik Abdel-Rahman has admitted that Siddig acted as his interpreter as recently as a week before the arrests. But he has denied any involvement in the plot and denounced attacks on property or life.

252 posted on 11/09/2001 3:38:35 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: JudyB1938; Nita Nupress; Wallaby; LSJohn; BlueDogDemo; Uncle Bill; golitely; Nancie Drew...
BTTT

See replies #226 and #256 from Judy1938 and Nita Nupress Thanks to you both for the info. Please give any theories you may have on how/why Fuqra may have had members in on the OKC bombing.

There are numerous witnesses that saw McVeigh with a black man in OKC the day before and the day of the OKC bombing There were three Pakistanis arrested in OKC from Brooklyn NY that were seen with McVeigh moments before the blast. At least one of the Pakistanis was a suspect in the 1993 WTC bombing. I wonder if the black man and Pakistanis seen with McVeigh could have been Fuqra members? But need more ideas from Freepers to track this down any further.

I also know there was a black Muslim sect(?) in OKC that had connections to the Elohim City compound implicated with McVeigh in the OKC bombings. But I do not know if the sect was connected to Fuqra.

291 posted on 11/09/2001 8:38:24 AM PST by OKCSubmariner
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