Why is there an Islamic Village in the foothills near Fresno?

KFSN TV 30 Fresno, CA ^ | 11-07-01 | Kevin Quinn

[philetus]

This story of Baladulla was posted a few months ago.
Everyone was outraged.
Everyone said something should be done.
We will see it again in a few months and everyone will be outraged.

[Grampa Dave]

Okay what is the local sheriff doing?

Also, isn't this group's charter school that has received about 1 million $'s in Fresno. I believe that it is supposed to get close to 4 million $'s next year!

[mlo]

What is it you think the sheriff should do?

The charter school is interesting. I didn't think about this before. Why is the Fresno school district paying for a charter school in Tulare County? The boundary is very close, less than a mile, but it is definately in Tulare County.

[mlo]

Everyone said something should be done.

What is it you think should be done?

[philetus]

Are you looking for someone to lead you?

[mlo]

Don't be a jerk. It is easy to be a critic. Tell us what it is that you think should be done.

[philetus]

Can`t think of a darn thing that would be legal.

[harpseal]

This particular operation definitely needs a visit from the FBI and some close scrutiny of their operations to be certain that all appropriate Federal Laws are being obeyed. When members of this community are outside their community locals should pay close attention to what they do. These are all quite legal things that can and should happen.

Now, as to what Jihad Honny is saying he may just may have had some true information or he may have been fed a line. I certainly do question the willingness of Al Qaeda to engage in such an operation. Yes PC will kill a whole lot of Americans as a part of this war but given the current reality of just how entrenched it is I do not see any alternative.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[Grampa Dave]

Please go to this link/thread for the latest on the probable terrorist arrested in the Islamic Republic of Portland, Or., Mecca West! (link)

[Grampa Dave]

mlo posted, "What is it you think the sheriff should do?"

Sorry, I got carried away. What was I thinking about. With the PC/Diversity driven law enforcement in California and most of the nation, their only job is bring body bags to murder scenes after a murder.

Thanks to the ACLU and others more concerned about the rights of criminals, law enforcement now must wait until a terrible crime happens before they can even do a half a$$ed PC investigation! Investigations to prevent crimes are illegal in America!

As harpseal would say to the good people in a 50 mile radius of this Islamic village, stay armed and be safe or whatever he says!

[Travis McGee]

Does this group currently do weapons training? "Stray shots" happen.

[harpseal]

I am three thousand miles away but I will bump the idea.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - yorktown

[hsszionist]

So the Islamics have a shorter distance to travel to commit murder.

[harpseal]

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed(failure to implemet this may adversly affect the first two wishes) - Yorktown (we shall hopefully share a toast at the victory that restores our Constitutional Republic as the first Yorktown gave our nation its independence

[mlo]

Sorry, I got carried away. What was I thinking about. With the PC/Diversity driven law enforcement in California and most of the nation, their only job is bring body bags to murder scenes after a murder.

OK, you've vented. Now answer the question. It is a serious question. What would you have them do? If you can't come up with a reasonable answer then you see the problem.

We can't arrest people for what they might do. There's nothing new in that. It is up to the authorities to keep tabs on these people, to gather intelligence, to find out what threats they represent and what they are up to. They may be doing all that right now, they aren't going to tell us. The sarcasm and ranting are out of place. You are expecting something that can't be done. You want instant answers, people rounded up, whatever, and it doesn't work that way.

[chadsworth]

What to do for some investigative research on Baladullah?

Since they operate a school ( university ?) how about getting an enrollment list, current and past, and check for out of date visas. Of course, they have no foreign students attending -right? Which agency does that and how does one get a check like that started?

[richardthelionheart]

How are you? First, the reason they have the capacity to pull off certain actions is the willingness of many foot jihadis to give their life willingly. Willingly is the key word. When a murderer kills one or in the case of two(OJ) they flee or have an escape plan. This instict of self-survival which most humans(non-muslims or infidels) have is not shared or allowed in the Koran. Second, as long as infidels pose a threat to Islam, jihadis cant relent in their campaign of submission. Third, if most jihadis could read there would be serios trouble. Most Muslims being illiterate cant understand what it says in the Koran. Those who can are the ones who perpetrated the acts of 9/11. Some where shocked that most had middle-class backgrounds and educations. i wasnt for the reason that once a Muslim can read he devours the koran and wants to follow and adhere to its guidelines. the average Muslim would fail an Arabic writing exam. This inability is keeping the world from seeing more destruction. They dont know what the Koran calls for as they cant read. One reason most dictators in the Muslim world dont want their subjects educated is because were that to take place they would revolt as they to want to go to heaven and they would insall an islamic theocracy ala Iran. I only want the answer to one thing. Where is the anger Muslims share towards those responsible for 9/11, the killings in the Phillipines,Indonesia, Kashmir, Sudan, israel and many other lands. Muslim unity and outrage is only shown over the suffering of the palestinians. I marvel at there honesty. They dont reject these actions because they are acceptable and warranted according to the Koran. Nobody denies this. There rage and anger at their plight is amazing, yet at our 9/11 tragedy the silence is defeaning. Islam is the problem and hopefully most will see this before its to late.

[chadsworth]

More details on the ambush murder of Sheriff Erik Telen by Ramadan Abdur-Rauf Abdullah. Ramadan had been to the Baladullah camp but the residents would not give information to the investigating officers regarding the connection of Ramadan and Camp Baladullah. HMMMMMMM!

Fresno Bee, The (CA) August 23, 2001 Section: MAIN NEWS

Four other officers would brave gunfire, as many as 100 rounds of ammunition, to get Telen out of an isolated home.

Abdullah finally surrendered at 12:31 a.m, after a 5 1/2-hour standoff. When the gunman emerged, deputies and SWAT team members were stunned. The 130-pound Abdullah looked like a 16-year-old boy.

Sources inside the Sheriff's Department say the number of rounds fired and the way Abdullah lay flat on the ground awaiting Telen to round the corner may indicate firearm training.

In this mountainous area of eastern Fresno County where people are used to shooting rattlesnakes and hunting is a common hobby, it was not unusual that the home Abdullah broke into had a cache of guns. What was unusual is how well he knew how to use the weapons. What remains unanswered is why he did.

Sheriff's officials said they think they know why Abdullah, a New York native, was in the area, but they did not provide details Wednesday. A source familiar with the investigation said they believe Abdullah knew people in the area.

Telen rounded a corner. Abdullah was waiting and shot him immediately. Stalker returned fire and retreated, according to standard tactics and training. Once outside, Stalker realized Telen was still in the house. The most galvanizing words in law enforcement went out over the radio: "Officer down." (end of clip)

The article was rather lengthy . The above is the part that raises question about Baladullah and the connection to Ramadan . Investigators could not get information from the Baladullah residents. What did they have to hide and why is the investigation of the questionable camp activities appearing to be discontinued.

Where to go next?

[dalebert]

Is this anywhere near Condit Country? I am still stuck on the story about terrorist pilot Mohamed Atta blowing up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the oslo agreement with the palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners." However, the Israelis would not release an with "blood on their hands." The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, insisted "that all prisoners be released. Thus Mr.Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center. Why is the press not pounding this story into the ground?

[harpseal]

Thanks for the info. I am certain at least some of the slain deputy's fellow officers will hold onto this case like pi bulls.

In the interim it might well be significant to find out who is ordering the investigation curtailed.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown