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Security guard is attacked at a power plant
PMSNBC ^ | 11/6/01 | Scott Saxton, WSAZ Charleston

Posted on 11/06/2001 11:43:47 AM PST by Steven W.

PUTNAM CO., WV, Nov. 5 - With the world as it is now, an attack at a power plant gets even more attention. And it comes just days after the news leaked that the coast guard was already looking for a suspicious boat in our region. At this point, the coast guard is not sure whether the two things are connected. It could be a coincidence. But here's the good thing out of this whole mess: AEP says it was a test that security passed.

Putnam County Sheriff Stan Farley says, "Someone tried to come on the property." They came from the river side of the John Amos plant. A female security guard spotted one man and chased him. Then she says he turned and hit her. Farley says, "They were talking some type of foreign language. They got into the boat and took up the river." By the time police got there, only the ripples of the river remained. The men were long gone.

They're described as two dark skinned men, wearing dark clothing. Joe Haynes, with the John Amos Plant, says, "Our security reacted exactly the way we wanted them to." The Kanawha River is very close to the John Amos plant. AEP officials say from time to time people wander on to their property. Two months ago, they wouldn't have thought twice about this incident. Now they do.

September 11th changed that. A recent report from the Coast Guard adds to the concern. The guard says some boat is masquerading as a guard vessel in this region. Haynes says, "We're a little more sensitive to those kind of things, so we have to take that extra little bit of precaution when something like this happens." Joe Haynes says the already tight security at John Amos tightened even more after September 11th. Guards use mirrors to check under cars and trucks, just one precaution to keep much of the Valleys power supply pumping.

The guard who was involved in that scuffle, Patricia Parsons, is okay. She did go to the hospital, but she only had minor injuries. The Coast Guard is looking into this incident. They have the discretion with any water incident. The Coast Guard wants to find out if there are any connections to the bogus boat.


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To: folklore
John Amos is a coal fired plant...

Huh. And all this time I thought he was the black actor that played J. J. "DY-NO-MITE!" Walker's dad on the old sitcom Good Times!

So, when did he "convert"?

21 posted on 11/06/2001 1:24:42 PM PST by Illbay
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To: folklore
The russians rated it no.10 years ago.

If you mean Good Times! that's pretty interesting.

22 posted on 11/06/2001 1:25:35 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Stevieboy
Girlfriend troubles, eh?
23 posted on 11/06/2001 1:27:04 PM PST by Illbay
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To: green team 1999
As a resident of this area, I am mad as h*** about the lack of effective security for this power plant. This was another blown opportunity to capture and extract information from possible terrorists. A lone, probably unarmed, female guarding an important power plant is beyond the Keystone Kops. One of the trespassers hit her, and she was hospitalized. Why wasn't video security used?? How did these buffoons let these two trespassers get away in their boat. The Kanawha River is limited via locks and has very few places to hide. Why wasn't the Coast Guard guarding and responding....Either the security was 'excellent with a plan' or nearly non-existent. I fear the latter was true.
24 posted on 11/06/2001 1:32:54 PM PST by lysol@whitehouse
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To: Steven W.
"Our security reacted exactly the way we wanted them to."

I hope it was a couple of well placed shots between the eyes.

25 posted on 11/06/2001 1:36:13 PM PST by SpottedBeaver
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To: Steven W.
Anyone got a map on this power plant? I am seeing the source as WV, and since I assume that is West Virginia I am having a hard time viewing the boat access and USCG involvement.

What "coast" is there to guard in WV?

26 posted on 11/06/2001 1:41:39 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: meyer
"...why was she chasing them alone. She ought to have summoned another guard and went after them as a team."

My thought exactly.

27 posted on 11/06/2001 2:17:39 PM PST by G-Rated
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To: G-Rated; meyer
My thoughts, too. Alarming. A few well-trained dudes could take out a team in a hurry through ambush, etc. Really frightening. They need to come up with a better plan for guarding this place and assurance that help would be there FAST!
28 posted on 11/06/2001 2:29:06 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Steven W.
Then she says he turned and hit her.

Ah, the joys of being a brave and manly warrior of Islam. Is he allowed to punch her in the face if she isn't his wife? A question for all you imams idiots out there!

29 posted on 11/06/2001 2:30:03 PM PST by wideawake
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To: mdittmar
This may be a Japanese style urban legend as I have never been there, but I have heard that around the Monju Fast Breeder Reactor in Japan there are signs that state the following:

Trespassers will be SHOT!
SURVIVORS will be shot AGAIN!

30 posted on 11/06/2001 3:05:08 PM PST by Ronin
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To: Steven W.
Unless you have armed guards there with orders to shot on sight, you're just playing with yourself.
31 posted on 11/06/2001 3:10:33 PM PST by paul51
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To: ChaseR
Terrorist attacks could influence Mexican truck debate

Suzanne Gamboa

Associated Press

Nov. 02, 2001 07:35:00

WASHINGTON - President Bush wants to open more U.S. highways to Mexican trucks in January, but that could be a tougher sell now that law enforcement wants to tighten security on the border.

The Teamsters union, which represents American truckers, said the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks reinforce the need to ensure vehicles are thoroughly checked at the border and meet U.S. safety requirements.

"We believe that senators and members of Congress and the president will be more in tune with some of the concerns that we've been stating since 1993, and that the tragic events just bring greater attention onto letting trucks cross the border without anybody looking at them," Teamsters spokesman Bret Caldwell said.

Even before Sept. 11, Bush faced opposition on the issue, which Mexican President Vicente Fox has said is key to U.S.-Mexican relations. The House passed an outright ban on Mexican trucks, citing safety concerns, while the Senate in August passed a measure calling for strict safety regulations and more truck inspectors at the border. Bush opposed both bills.

The House and Senate soon will begin work on a compromise. Bush has threatened a veto if the final version delays opening more roads to the trucks.

The 1993 North American Free Trade Agreement among the United States, Mexico and Canada called for allowing Mexican trucks to travel throughout the United States by Jan. 1, 2000, but opposition from unions and safety groups kept that from happening. Currently trucks from Mexico are restricted to a commercial zone along the border.

The Bush administration's plan would permit Mexican companies that say they comply with U.S. safety standards to operate in the country for 18 months while their claims are verified.

"In light of what happened Sept. 11, it seems even more foolhardy to do that," said Jackie Gillan, vice president of Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety.

About 5,000 people die each year in truck accidents, she said, noting the figure is about the same as the number of victims of the terrorist attacks.

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., sponsored the Senate bill with Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala. Murray said the terrorist attacks have increased Americans' concerns about border safety, and that puts her and her allies in the driver's seat for negotiations.

"Immigration and customs are now conducting more aggressive checks of everyone crossing the border," she said. Tighter restrictions on Mexican "will be a companion to that."

Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, favors Bush's plan. He doesn't believe the terrorist attacks should have any influence on the issue.

"This has nothing to do with security," Gramm said. "Anyone who tries to tie these two together is engaged in piracy, and is profiting from misery."

Government investigators have said for years that Mexican trucks are less safe than American trucks. About 36 percent of Mexican trucks inspected last year were taken out of service, compared to about 25 percent of U.S. trucks.

Those who favor opening more U.S. highways to the trucks say the failure rates are based on vehicles that operate only in the commercial border zone. They say carriers will have to use safer and better trucks for longer trips.

Since the attacks, the federal government has intensified inspections at the Mexican and Canadian borders. Lines are longer and traffic has slowed as inspectors check vehicles more closely.

32 posted on 11/06/2001 4:02:12 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: ChaseR
This happened less than 10 miles from my house. Allah help them if I had been the guard.

The FBI has been investigating and looking for the boat for several days now. My brother, along with several other eyewitnesses who saw it at different times, saw it and contacted the feds. It was about 20 feet long and painted up like a Coast Guard vessel - but not a perfect job. The lettering was greatly off kilter and the "crew" of about 5 people was wearing generic red jackets which were similar, but not the same as CG wears. The boat was moving at a high rate of speed and it was about 35 degrees at the time, so their wasn't much chance to see if they were "swarthy." No Coast guard hats, which all the Guard guys wear, were evident. They all had dark hair. When my brother saw them they were near a petroleum tank facility in Charleston.

There are also MANY chemical plants in the Kanawha River valley, including Monsanto, Du Pont, Clearon (chlorine), Dow (chlorine), and Aventis (they make MIC- the deadly Bhopal stuff). These plants aren't just potentially the target of bombs, they ARE potential bombs. In fact, the small town next to the power plant is named Nitro, because nitroglycerine was formerly produced there.

My dad used to work in the unit that made MIC here, a component of the pesticide Sevin. Union Carbide owned it back then. A small leak of MIC in Bhopal, India killed thousands. Post-Bhopal, the Kanawha valley is the only place in the world that MIC - methyl isocyanate - is produced now. I know about this stuff; it is extremely dangerous. If something like that happened here it would kill many thousands more because of the valley topography. If the right plant is hit, there could be a HUNDRED THOUSAND deaths due to the MIC gas. If you're not blown up in the explosion, the poison gas will get you. That's why I am taking security here DAMN seriously. We're playing for keeps.

I don't know what the safety backups are, but needless to say, a power plant that provides the primary power for the chemical plants in the area could at the very least cause much confusion at these plants. The move on the power plant could have been a "trigger event" that, if successful, could have signalled the beginning of attacks on the other plants. It's easier to cause trouble in the dark.

Needless to say, I am keeping my guard up here, now fully a target in the "war zone." The war is everywhere, and we are ALL soldiers now.

Let's roll.

33 posted on 11/06/2001 4:08:49 PM PST by jrewingjr
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To: ChaseR
Hell we can't watch everything?.. Hell take any give power plant and they usually have one line of power lines running from em.. Take San Ofre(sp?) for instance the nuke plant right off the coast here in So. Cal. Someone could run up in the hills from the plant.. put some C4 or whatever around one of the towers.. bring it down.. no the plants not gone.. but just as effective in shutting down power for quite a bit of time and a whole lot easier... Hell watch someone run around with a chain saw and start cutting down random power and phone lines in any given city.. everyone is looking for the big bang.. when really all it takes is the little things to hurt us bad.
34 posted on 11/06/2001 4:34:44 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy
With a few exceptions, most of the plants I've been around have several transmission lines running from them in various directions. But, I'm not in California and things are different. I know that Cali has quite a few smaller plants whereas most of the plants I've been in have been rather large. Still, a coordinated attack could put some serious holes in the grid and could put some large populations in the dark for anywhere from hours to days.

The US is in many ways a target rich environment. We cannot possibly hire guards to protect every potential spot where trouble could occur. Those responsible must prioritize. For obvious reasons, Nuke plants get a much higher rating WRT security as opposed to coal-fired plants except in areas where the loss of a certain plant would put an area in jeapordy. Still, there's no excuse for placing that guard in a position where she would feel compelled to chase intruders alone and quite probably unarmed (unless under extenuating circumstances).

I think that in general, you'll find that the most important sites have the greatest amount of security. The rest must rely on an observant public and responsive local police.

35 posted on 11/06/2001 5:19:24 PM PST by meyer
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To: Steven W.
a test, perhaps, of the nuclear power plant defenses.
36 posted on 11/06/2001 5:25:48 PM PST by rottweiller_inc
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To: Steven W.
Is john Amos a nuker? I thought all AEP did was burn dirty coal and send the pollution to Wisconsin....
37 posted on 11/06/2001 6:00:33 PM PST by ninenot
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To: ArcLight
A friend of mine was a muckety-muck in a nuke plant. There's a lot more than Glocks surrounding those places, even without the National Guard. Pity the poor b@#$%rd who tries to push his way into a nuker. There won't be enough left to bury him...
38 posted on 11/06/2001 6:03:46 PM PST by ninenot
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To: jrewingjr
What is to stop citizens in your area from forming a militia and guarding the targets yourselves? I realize that you probably couldn't stand RIGHT at the gate, but you could certainly station yourselves around the perimeter with guns & walkytalkies.

If that sounds too extreme, what's to stop you from organizing a recall pyramid that can come out at the next "incident" and be there as backup force?

It's our country. I don't get why ordinary citizens can't do the Paul Revere if they want to.
39 posted on 11/06/2001 6:20:43 PM PST by ChemistCat
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To: ChemistCat
My thoughts exactly. No artificial political obstacles to it here, we were an early CCW state. This is as patriotic and pro-gun (ask Algore, heheh) a state that there is; many eagle eyes and deadeye shots live here.

Seeing regular people out carrying guns helping to watch over the plants wouldn't freak people out like it would in CA or NY. They would welcome it. Problems would be more of a planning and logistical "where do we start' nightmare due to the many MANY targets here. I believe there would be no shortage of volunteers though.

I guess the first step is to call the sheriff to see where we could start.

40 posted on 11/06/2001 6:54:34 PM PST by jrewingjr
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