HIV Mutating (Super Strain Spreading)

The Independent UK ^ | 11-06-01 | Steve Conner

[Neuromancer]

New strain of HIV is resistant to main drug
By Steve Connor Science Editor
06 November 2001

A new type of Aids virus can quickly turn resistant to one of the most effective drugs used to treat the disease. Scientists discovered the new strain among 603 HIV-positive patients who were so recently infected they had not yet even been given drugs. Their findings suggest the much-feared increase in drug-resistant forms of HIV is beginning to take root with a strain that has an in-built capacity to resist treatment with AZT, the principal anti-Aids treatment.

Although drug-resistant strains of HIV were discovered in 1992 they were almost invariably found in patients having treatment with one or more anti-viral drugs. While drug resistance has been seen in HIV-infected patients before, it has seldom been seen in untreated patients.

The latest strain was evidently transmitted among people who have never been exposed to AZT, suggesting that drug resistance is spreading rapidly within HIV-positive people who may not even know they are infected.

The latest study, in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found several genetic mutations in the new strain of HIV made the virus perfectly poised for further mutations that conferred full AZT-resistance. Dr Garcia-Lerma said doctors would test patients for this new strain and report its prevalence so the general rise in drug-resistance could be monitored.

If such strains become widespread, that will be a severe setback in Aids treatment.

[nagdt]

Pardon me, but should I be upset that HIV is taking lives?

I'm a hopeless heterosexual, monogomous woman who loves sex. Am I in danger? If not...too bad. It's all about me.

[dubyagee]

This is not Tin-foil hat stuff, it is real science, rather than the pseudoscience the pharmagaysocialmedical establishment is pushing. For more info Dr. Peter Duesberg's web site is here.

First I've heard of all this, and I'm not buying it. I think the statistics speak for themselves.

[VaBthang4]

This is obviously an American strain of HIV that has been amped up by home grown super-nazi-terrorists bent on reducing the democratic gene pool.

[Time Traveller]

Yeah, I inadvertently just repeated Doc Savage, but to elaborate, what I mean is:

There is bonafide immuno-suppression caused by drug abuse such as poppers which were popular in the 70's and 80's gay communities. Also there was a host of tropical third world diseases among the gays in those wild and wooly decades as well. However, shortly after the first cases of immuno-suppression appeared, an erronoeous coorelation was made by a French scientist to the HIV virus. There were all sorts of irregularities in his research, which was not even subject to peer review before it was accepted as true by uncritical and panicking authorities. Billions of government dollars for research and foreign aid have given the HIV theory ad-hoc legitimacy.

AZT, an insidious poison, has killed thousands upon thousands of healthy people, both gay and straight, who were prescribed it merely for testing HIV positive (which, as already mentioned does not even reliably indicate the presence or absence of the virus). In Africa, diseases long known there were arbitrarily reclassified as AIDS without even a positive test for HIV (because it was deemed to impractical to do HIV tests there.)

One important point is that even bonfide immuno-suppression (e.g. drug-abuse related) is reversable, if the behavior is stopped, i.e. "AIDS" has never been an automatic death sentence, that is, if AZT and the other killer drugs prescribed as a "cure" for it or not taken.

Here are some links for more info.

[Lessismore]

At the rate Aids is going, it won't be long before most intraveneous durg users and most of the gay community are dead.

Most of the decline in crime rate is not due to better policing, prosperous economy and all the other BS that politicians like to take credit for. If you run the numbers on how many drug addicts die from AIDS, plus the number of ex-prisoners who die from AIDS, and make some reasonable assumptions about how many felonies are annually committed by each drug user or felon, the dead AIDS victims easily account for the decline in the crime rates.

[dubyagee]

In sum, the AIDS dilemma could be solved by banning anti-HIV drugs, and by pointing out that drugs cause AIDS –modeled on the successful anti-smoking campaign.

So hemophiliacs who were not drug users and gays who were not drug users, who died from AIDS were just imagining things??? This scientist wouldn't happen to be homosexual would he???

[wimpycat]

Had this epidemic not been political we would have been allowed to do normal contact tracing and mass screening.

Too late, I'm sorry to say

You are so right. The normal methods you mentioned were decried as discrimination against homosexuals, and therefore not politically correct. It just happens to have gained a foothold among homosexuals in this country, but it's not simply a homosexual or drug addict disease worldwide. It affects straight men, women and children much more in other parts of the world than it does here.

If we're allowed to treat it as the COMMUNICABLE DISEASE it is, without worrying about whose feelings we're going to hurt, we might be able to save more LIVES, at least here in the U.S.

It's not a punishment from God; it is natural consequence of coming in contact with a virus that is transmitted easily through bodily fluids. The more you swap fluids with other people, the more you increase your chances of contracting the virus. The more you swap fluids with members of a community who have a higher infection rate, well, then that makes your chances of contracting the virus that much higher. That's nature in action, not divine retribution.

[dubyagee]

One important point is that even bonfide immuno-suppression (e.g. drug-abuse related) is reversable, if the behavior is stopped, i.e. "AIDS" has never been an automatic death sentence, that is, if AZT and the other killer drugs prescribed as a "cure" for it or not taken.

So, basically, you're not saying that it's not transmitted the way now understand it to be transmitted. Your simply saying the HIV virus is not necessarily the cause of it?? And that the origins of it are incorrect also. Have I got this right?

[UnChained]

How many non-drug using /non-promiscuous people have died in the name of HIV tolerance? Up to this point, almost zero.

But among those who have died are medical workers, hemophiliacs, spouses of the promiscuous and children from infected mothers. World wide, I'm sure it's in the millions

[longtime_nyr]

How can one harmless retrovirus cause over forty different diseases?

You sound like someone who has studied bio/biochem so bear with me because I've not. Your statement leaves out the impact of the retrovirus on T4 cells. In fact I've never read that the retrovirus was responsible for AIDS per se, but that it did in some manner cause the destruction T4 cells, and hence the immune system, that resulted in the mutiplicity of diseases one sees in someone with AIDS. T4 cell < 500 --> inefficient immune system --> multiple disease state.

Are you saying this is not correct, and if so, would you explain.

[Atlas Sneezed]

At first, I wondered if the new strain was resistant to condoms and clean needles.

Not to worry, I guess.

[Eala]

>How many non-drug using /non-promiscuous people have died in the name of HIV tolerance?

Up to this point, almost zero.

There was a report, on this site I believe, not long ago that mentioned how gays were being encouraged to deny that they were gay when giving blood. It seems likely that the blood supply is already contaminated with this new strain, and the probability is increasing daily.

Take it from there.

[Time Traveller]

So, basically, you're not saying that it's not transmitted the way now understand it to be transmitted. Your simply saying the HIV virus is not necessarily the cause of it??

On the contrary, my understanding is that "it" is not a viral disease at all, or sexually transmitted. Immuno-suppression is caused by many things, for example drug abuse and acute malnutrition (e.g. in Africa). I remember reading (although I'm not quoting Duesberg here who is one of the primary individuals attacking the HIV theory) that the level of sexual promiscuity in the gay community in the 70's and 80's (plus peculiar aspects of the homosexual act itself which I'd rather not get into) made that era a hotbed (pardon the pun) of various diseases among gays, so in a sense, "AIDS" may be sex-related.

However, immuno-suppression itself has not been shown to be caused by a sexually transmissable virus. Interestingly, according to unrelated research by Dr. Lorraine Day (i.e. she's not associated with any movement attacking the HIV theory) the HIV virus is not unusually fragile at all - for example, it can survive sitting on a countertop unprotected for over two hours. So if HIV were the cause of immuno-suppression, you wouldn't be immune from it by wearing a condom.

As far as AZT, I assume the reason they were prescribing it is that it was thought that HIV positive people would become immuno-suppressed anyway, so AZT, which most definitely causes immuno-suppression was not seen as causing additional harm. Or, if you are of a conspiratorial mindset, you might assume it was intentionally created epidemic, in which the "cure" was intended to kill people to control population, or some such. (That last statement is strictly my own and pure conjecture.)

[Chemnitz]

As they say about computer viruses, you are not only accessing that computer but every computer it has ever accessed. There is no better way to spread disease.

If we stuck to the Creator's benevolent commandments, there would be no illigitimate children and no STD's.

[VeritatisSplendor]

The latest strain was evidently transmitted among people who have never been exposed to AZT, suggesting that drug resistance is spreading rapidly within HIV-positive people who may not even know they are infected

It seems to me more likely that this is a strain initially and in part currently spread by infected people who are being treated, so that the strain in their bodies has evolved resistance. There have been numerous articles here posted about homosexuals, including ones who know they are infected, not bothering with "safe" sex any more, whether because of fatalism or confidence in the drugs.

Mrs VS

[not-an-ostrich]

Huh? Can you be succinct?