MALAYSIA WARNS BRITAIN NOT TO SEND GAY POLITICIANS

EWTN News Brief ^ | 3-Nov-2001

[MadIvan]

Speaking as a Briton, Malaysia is entitled to keep out whoever they want to keep out - it is their country after all. I don't particularly care if someone is homosexual, so long as they respect my right to NOT be gay and we can agree that private life should be just that - private. There are indications from groups like Outrage in the UK that the radical homosexual advocacy groups won't go for this, and ergo, they must be fought tooth and nail.

What is truly bad about all this is that the gay ministers in the Labour government are using their sexual preference as a shield against the consequences of their incompetence. And even you OWK, must realise that is a really bad thing.

Regards, Ivan

[concerned about politics]

So public sex acts between heterosexuals are OK?

No, actually. They get arrested. Only gay acts are allowed in public. They scream "discrimination", and the cops walk the other way.

[wimpycat]

I thought the topic of this article was one country telling another who to send or not to send over in an official capacity. Do you believe Malaysia is within its rights to tell the UK that its prime minister will not receive openly gay politicians or diplomats?

[ZULU]

What people chose to do in the privacy of their own home is their own problem. When they elect to publicize their intimate actions and those actions are not in keeping with societal norms, they should anticipate and expect problems.

Openly homsexual individuals do not belong in the military or in foreign service to countires which find such aberrant behavior unacceptable.

I don't believe we should stone homosexuals. They are ill people and deserve our compassion and understanding as long as they are not forcing their attentions on individuals who are not receptive to such advances, or proselytizing their abberrant lifelstyles to the young or unwilling.

[Psalm 73]

"But if they ever come here bringing their boyfriend along, we will throw them out. We will not accept them."

My how the mighty have fallen.
Just 60 years ago Singapore was a symbol of the Brittish Empires' virility and masculinity - now they tell the Britts to keep thier boyfriends at home. How sad.

[MadIvan]

Just 60 years ago Singapore was a symbol of the Brittish Empires' virility and masculinity - now they tell the Britts to keep thier boyfriends at home. How sad.

British virility and masculinity is alive and well thank you - just go down to the football on Saturday and you'll see.

Regards, Ivan

[Teacher317]

Fascinating thread. "Re-education", castration, capital punishment, relocation... and we think the Taliban is intolerant? It looks like some Christians here would be rather happy to install their own American version.

[discontinue]

OWK, You know the real answer here....As members of a society, we should condemn these activities and then othracize homosexuals. The problem is, we have governments and courts trying to force the normalization of this filth. This normalization is what should be resisted.

None of us are perfect, but because we are not, that does not preclude us from attempting to stop the encroachment of this mess.

[eaglewatch]

Biblical rules are Biblical rules.

Just curious. When is the last time you have torched an oxen in your back yard because the odor is pleasing unto God? When is the last time you and your neighbors took one of the local teenagers outside the city walls and stoned the little bastard for being unruly?

And last but not least, why is it that there is absolutely no record of Christ speaking out against homosexuals? And what was Christ doing with a naked young man when they arrested Him?

Don't bother trying to answer. Just food for thought.

[concerned about politics]

I care very deeply about the subject of rights.

the outrage for gays not only is Biblical, but social.

The kids can wear a gay pride T-shirt to school, but no a straight pride T-shirt. Why?

Schools have gay pride posters lining their hallways, and special private rooms for gays. No straight pride posters. Why?

If they scream "discrimination" , why can't the straights? Because they'd be considered "hate filled, homophobes..."

The gays want to infultrate the churches. Shouldn't the churches be able to say no? It's anti-Biblical.

What about straight rights? What has happened to them? Haven't we the "right" to say "no", please stay away because we don't approve?

You support the rights of gays, and take away the rights of straights. Why?

[OWK]

However, it should not take (or quietly endorse) positions that seem to equate homosexuality with heterosexuality, which it often does. This is a lifestyle choice to be discouraged, not encouraged. While the government isn't there to help with lifestyle choices, it should not undermine the family.

I happen to think you're barking up the wrong tree here.

The only reason homosexuals have ANY tools with which to push their agenda, is that we allow the state to foist socialistic programs upon us.

If there were no public schools, homosexuals would be unable to control their agenda. Parents would be free to send their children to whatever schools comport with their educational desires. If parents want kids to pray in school, then they should pray in school. If parents don't want their kids taught evolution, then they shouldn't be taught evolution. If parents don't think "Heather has two mommies" is worth a damn, then they shouldn't be subjected to it. But unfortunately the state seizes the property of unwilling citizens to prop up a socialist public education monopoly, which subjects parents to an education product they don't want. ALL SCHOOLS SHOULD BE PRIVATE, allowing parents to purchase the education they want, on the free market.

And when it comes to risky sexual behavior, homosexuals certainly place a great burden on the public health system. But in fact, THERE SHOULD BE NO PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEM. People should be free to choose their own path (provided they don't violate rights) and they should also be free to suffer the consequences of their poor moral choices alone... without robbing their neighbors to pay for their stupidity.

Socialism is the root problem with all of these things. It is the tool used by all enemies of free people. Get rid of the socialism, and the problem goes away.

[wimpycat]

I didn't ask you about any of those things. I asked you whether private homosexuality between consenting adults should be illegal.

And I answered your question when I said I didn't care one way or the other.

[tonycavanagh]

Malaysia like every other country have right to agree to who they would like in there country and who they would not.

As for My how the mighty have fallen. Well this Brit is telling you I don’t need any advise from anyone who thinks Harry Potter and the Telletubbies are part of some satanic NWO plot to take over America. Its actually part of a satanic British Empire plot

Cheers Tony

[babyface00]

This isn't specifically to discontinue, but if I may make an observation; isn't the whole question of "homosexual rights" a byproduct of government intervention? If our various governments would stay out of our lives - taxing and tax breaks, preferences for various minorities, "affirmative action", etc., it would eliminate 90% of the issue. In most cases, it seems that the "rights" we're talking about are access to government spoils. Yes, there would still be issues, adoption is one that comes to mind, but I don't think we would have such the time resolving this issue as a society if it weren't for "progressive" government meddling. And this is the case with race as well.

[MadIvan]

Well this Brit is telling you I don’t need any advise from anyone who thinks Harry Potter and the Telletubbies are part of some satanic NWO plot to take over America. Its actually part of a satanic British Empire plot

Shhhh! You're next going to tell them about the Spice Girls Reunion Album portion of the conspiracy!

Regards, Ivan

[wimpycat]

Hear, hear, you virile and masculine, football-match attending mass of pure British testosterone!

[OWK]

EXACTLY!!!

[tonycavanagh]

re : Shhhh! You're next going to tell them about the Spice Girls Reunion Album portion of the conspiracy!.

Way to go there, why don’t you just tell our American cousins that they are all fembots and have done with it.

oops.

Cheers Tony

[B-Chan]

Private homosexual acts between consenting adults do not violate anyone's rights

Neither do private sexual acts between consenting adults and recently deceased corpses. Next you'll be advocating a don't-ask-don't-tell policy for necrophiliacs.

[corkoman]

um...where are you going with this?

Ok, to address your question, if there is a crime, what is the nature of the crime, is someone harmed? Well, if someone is harmed that would probably be accidental assuming both are conceting adults. If both are not consenting then there would be a rape issue and there are already laws for that. So back to the harm thing - if its physical harm there would otherwise be battery in which there are already laws regarding that.

So if there is no objective "harm", then the basis of an illegality is solely on the basis that there is a "moral" law on the books that is being violated and this always gets into circular logic where it is BAD because there is a law against it.

Is this where you are going?