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This war will get much nastier before it is won
The Sunday Telegraph (UK) ^ | Sunday 4 Nov 2001 | By Anne Applebaum

Posted on 11/04/2001 4:06:06 PM PST by vannrox

WHAT a difference geography can make. In London, America's war on Afghanistan has been described as "the slaughter of the world's poorest by the world's richest". A growing chorus of critics agree that the bombardment is too harsh, too dangerous to civilians - that after a mere three weeks, it has already expanded out of all proportion.


In Afghanistan, America's war on Afghanistan looks rather different. After the Soviet bombing raids of the 1980s, the Mujahideen would scour the deep craters for emeralds, blown out of the rock by the constant force of the blasts. To people accustomed to that sort of attack, America's precision bombing seemed laughably survivable. "All you have to do is move next door," is how one Taliban soldier happily described it. Equally, their opponents, the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, have been mystified by a perceived lack of seriousness by the US air force.


But even by other standards, the American bombing campaign has been extraordinarily light. America's B-52s - the planes which drop cluster bombs - have flown some 40 missions in four days. During the Gulf War, they flew nearly 1,600 sorties in two days. The US strategy to date is not an attempt to destroy the Taliban with a harsh bombing campaign of disproportionate strength and violence.


But if we are not trying to bomb the Taliban into oblivion, what are we trying to achieve in Afghanistan? This isn't an easy question to answer, because not everyone in the Bush administration would respond in the same way. Put crudely, the administration's more warlike members, led by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, have from the beginning argued that the US should try to defeat the Taliban quickly, mostly by working closely with the Northern Alliance. The capture or killing of Osama bin Laden, they reckoned, would then come about in due course. The diplomats, led by Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, are more concerned with maintaining the support of the coalition in general, and of the Pakistanis - who loathe the Northern Alliance - in particular. The diplomats also believe the war should have more limited objectives, that killing or capturing bin Laden ought to be enough to bring it to a halt.


Both arguments have their merits. Unfortunately, the conflict between them has meant that neither strategy has been pursued to its logical conclusion. Instead, as one Defence Department official puts it, the US military simply "did what we were trained to do". Although the pilots were trying to "smoke out" bin Laden and the Taliban leadership, there was nothing especially novel about the means they deployed. The US air force simply played by its old Iraq and Serbia rule book, hitting everything that could be construed as a military installation: aircraft and anti-aircraft missiles, as well as the clusters of huts and landing strips that pass for military bases. There weren't many such targets: hence the relatively light bombing.


Hence, also, the widespread discomfort with the progress of a war which has, almost without warning, suddenly reached a turning point. In the past week, Mr Rumsfeld has defended himself against the charge that "people are saying" the war is going badly. Articles with headlines such as "Is the US losing the battle?" have begun to appear in the US press. Objectively speaking, the war isn't going badly: the Americans are hitting most of their targets and haven't lost a pilot. But even the most uninterested members of the public can sense the lack of an end game. And no wonder: with the principal leaders battling among themselves, there hasn't been one.


A change is now coming, one with enormous implications for the West. Suddenly, journalists based in the Panjshir Valley are hearing the rumble of cluster bombs, a sure sign that the United States is finally bombing Taliban front lines, in preparation for a Northern Alliance attack. American and Northern Alliance commanders have made contact at the highest level, and are at least meeting regularly to agree on targets. In other words, Donald Rumsfeld's warlike party is winning the day - by default.


After three weeks of cautious bombing, we haven't found bin Laden and we didn't force the Taliban leaders to defect or make mistakes. Although the US is trying to organise a broader opposition in the southern, Pashtun regions of the country, it hasn't worked yet. Now, there simply isn't another strategy in Afghanistan: either we fight alongside the Northern Alliance, or we don't fight at all.


There are reasons to be pleased by this. It isn't a step in the dark: many of the Northern Alliance's leaders are well known in the West, and a few have track records in power. They aren't fanatics. When the Northern Alliance leader Ishmael Khan ruled Herat, girls went to school. When the Taliban took over, the girls were sent home. By making closer contact with him and others, the United States will also liberate itself from its dependence on the ISI, the Pakistani secret service which helped invent and suppported the Taliban. It was they who probably betrayed Adbul Haq, the Northern Alliance's envoy last week. During the Afghan war against the Soviet Union, the ISI talked the US out of throwing its full support behind the late Ahmed Shah Masoud, the charismatic Tajik leader who became the Northern Alliance's chief commander. Unfortunately, the ISI has been our main source of information about Afghanistan ever since.


There are also reasons to worry. As I say, the Pakistanis have been opposing the Northern Alliance for the past decade, not least by funding the Taliban, and may stop supporting the war if they feel the Alliance is getting too much support. Nor are the Northern Alliance ideal allies: they are badly equipped, few in number, and sorely missing Masoud. Some Northern Alliance factions have been accused of theft, drug-dealing, and rape. After two decades of war, no one in Afghanistan has clean hands.


More importantly, the war is now going to get heavier, bloodier, nastier. Cluster bombs are directed at troops - live people - not airstrips. A Northern Alliance "push" towards Kabul or Mazar-i-Sharif will mean real battles, over inhabited territory, with civilian casualties inflicted by soldiers, not bombs. The war's fastidious critics haven't liked what they've seen so far. It will be interesting to see how will they react when the fighting actually starts.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
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"...The war's fastidious critics haven't liked what they've seen so far. It will be interesting to see how will they react when the fighting actually starts..."

Indeed!

1 posted on 11/04/2001 4:06:06 PM PST by vannrox (MyEMail)
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To: vannrox


Russian intelligence warns CIA that more attacks imminent
internet publication

BBC Monitoring Service - United Kingdom; Sep 12, 2001
http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/article.html?id=010912003751
Text of report by Russian Ren TV on 12 September

[Presenter Yelena Meshcheryakova] Russian intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of the terrorist attacks in the USA. They are Usamah Bin-Laden's organization, the Islamic movement of Uzbekistan and the Taleban [Afghan] government. According to the internet publication news.ru, Russia's foreign intelligence special envoy told the CIA that there were at least two Uzbeks among the suicide terrorists. Our security services are warning the USA that what happened on Tuesday is just the beginning, and that the next target of the terrorists will be an American nuclear facility.

Source: Ren TV, Moscow, in Russian 0900 gmt 12 Sep 01

/BBC Monitoring/ © BBC.

World Reporter All Material Subject to Copyright



2 posted on 11/04/2001 4:10:04 PM PST by Deep_6
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To: Deep_6
Let the critics go down to Ground Zero in NYC and help recover what pieces of bodies remain. The critics can yelp all they want: these folks want to KILL US and they must be eliminated totally one by one or no man, woman or child is going to be safe.
3 posted on 11/04/2001 4:27:16 PM PST by jraven
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To: vannrox
FReeps need to take a look at a program currently running on the National Geographic cable network. It is about Massoud, the assassinated leader of the Northern Alliance. It is on Dish network and is called "Into the Forbidden Land."

Afghanistan looks like something out of Star Wars except for the stunningly beautiful Panshir Valley. This is a bizarre, alien moonscape that has nuclear device written all over it.

The West may not recover if we send our best men into this hellhole to die. As this is written, that is what I believe we are fixing to do.

4 posted on 11/04/2001 5:43:28 PM PST by Fulbright
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To: vannrox
Have we ever won an undeclared war? If so, why is Iraq still sending the white powder?
5 posted on 11/04/2001 5:48:01 PM PST by Terrorista Nada
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To: Deep_6
A growing chorus of critics agree that the bombardment is too harsh, too dangerous to civilians - that after a mere three weeks, it has already expanded out of all proportion.

It's called WAR Einstein. Object is to WIN. Besides, did we not give the Taliban sufficient time to 'cough up' Bin Laden?


6 posted on 11/04/2001 5:49:20 PM PST by Bad~Rodeo
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To: Terrorista Nada
Yes, Korea
7 posted on 11/04/2001 5:50:22 PM PST by Bad~Rodeo
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To: Bad~Rodeo
If we won in Korea why is North Korea still making nukes?
8 posted on 11/04/2001 5:55:40 PM PST by Terrorista Nada
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To: vannrox

9 posted on 11/04/2001 6:01:16 PM PST by drq
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To: vannrox

10 posted on 11/04/2001 6:01:17 PM PST by drq
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To: Terrorista Nada
Chama500 Nuclear Explosion


Truckee Nuclear Explosion


How a mini nuke would be used.



11 posted on 11/04/2001 7:16:36 PM PST by vannrox
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To: Bad~Rodeo
Anne Knot hole Nuclear Explosion


HARDtack Nuclear Cloud


Nice hardtack nuclear explosion



12 posted on 11/04/2001 7:17:34 PM PST by vannrox
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To: Bad~Rodeo; jraven
What the hell are you flaming me for, birdbrains?
I just posted the article about the ruskies claiming
our nuke plants might be next on the terrorist's
agenda.

You sure you got the right guy?

 

13 posted on 11/04/2001 7:29:34 PM PST by Deep_6
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To: vannrox
After reading this article I can't quite fathom what some people expect in the few weeks after we were attacked out of blue by a terrorist network run by mad men halfway across the world hiding in the mountains of Afganistan. Seems that the leftists in the media are talking to each other and trying to create controversy where there is little. Our military forces are taking out our enemy in a timetable to our liking just as was laid out by GW & Rummy from day one of this war. But if we bomb too much the media’s knee jerk response is, “Oh the civilian casualties”! “It’s a high tech bully war and unfair because our troops are not dying too”! If we don't bomb enough to suit ANYONE—“Oh we are losing this war”! “The Taliban are still standing”! “And the Taliban still have their guns and are going to make this war the mother of all battles”!

After hearing all this cr*p for 4 weeks I have to wonder what side the press is on in the U.S. and U.K. Are they with us or are they with the terrorists? I really don’t know. It could be, and I am giving them credit here, that they are merely going for the money by trying to hype and create news where there is little to report….as predicted early on by Rumsfeld.

14 posted on 11/04/2001 8:37:01 PM PST by WRhine
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To: vannrox
Imagine! A war in which the enemies are killed and destroyed! Can you believe it?
15 posted on 11/04/2001 9:56:08 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: AmericanVictory
Imagine! A war in which the enemies are killed and destroyed! Can you believe it?

It's America. We invent all kinds of things.

16 posted on 11/04/2001 10:17:37 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: vannrox
Just let Rumsfeld talk to them. They'll get the point.
17 posted on 11/04/2001 10:20:34 PM PST by lawgirl
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18 posted on 11/04/2001 10:25:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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