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PENTAGON: NEW YORKER STORY FALSE, NO SERIOUS INJURIES DURING DELTA RAID
Drudge ^ | 4 November 2001 | Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

Posted on 11/04/2001 12:21:42 PM PST by Kenyon

PENTAGON: NEW YORKER STORY FALSE, NO SERIOUS INJURIES DURING DELTA RAID
Sun Nov 04 2001 15:13:35 ET

Joint Chiefs of Staff General Richard Myers strongly debunked a story filed by the NEW YORKER's Seymour Hersh [set for publication on Monday] which claims U.S. Delta members were seriously injured during a raid Mullah Omar's complex in Afghanistan.

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Myers made him comments on NBC's MEET THE PRESS to host Tim Russert:

RUSSERT: On October 20 there was a commando raid by U.S. forces into Afghanistan. You showed pictures of people being parachuted in and some infrared pictures and things like that.

A New Yorker magazine today reports that during that exercise, that operation, 12 U.S. soldiers were wounded, three seriously.

RUSSERT: Is that accurate?

MYERS: Let me just tell you exactly what happened and then--I don't think that report is accurate in the context that it was written.

As you know, we lost two individuals to an helicopter accident before they even went into Afghanistan. They were the reserve force, sitting back, waiting to respond in case...

RUSSERT: In Pakistan?

MYERS: In Pakistan, waiting in case they were needed. They were not needed, but this helicopter landing in a dust storm, rolled over on landing and, tragically, two service members were killed. Two were injured in that one, as well.

The force that went in on the ground, there were a couple of parachute injuries that we expected, and those happened, and there were some other wounds from some of the action and some of the activity that they were undergoing, but none of it was inflicted by the enemy.

We took, essentially--I think, the article--I have not read the article, but I've heard that it portrays that we ran into some stiff resistance. That's simply not true. There was no resistance. The Taliban were in complete disarray.

RUSSERT: The article said that there was a firefight and that the Taliban not only had rifle fire but also mortars and grenades in response to the U.S., and 12 U.S. soldiers were injured, three seriously.

MYERS: And that's not true. That's not true. My guess is and my belief is that every soldier that came back from that particular raid is back on duty today. None of them seriously injured. Certainly, none of them injured by the Taliban.

The Taliban probably did return fire. They had that--all those capabilities. We know from other reporting, that they were trying to muster greater capability. They were unable to do so. Our soldiers just simply overwhelmed them.

RUSSERT: It also says there was grave concern within the special operations community about being sent into an operation like that, suggesting they were not fully prepared or properly planned.

MYERS: Nothing could be further from the truth. This operation was planned for some time. The leader of the special operation community, General Charlie Holland, down in Tampa, Florida, was fully aware of what was going on and was participating in the planing. And when it came down to it, we were all very satisfied that we were ready to go in.

And in fact, we executed that exactly as we thought we would do. The fact that we damaged a helicopter inside the compound we went into, that's just one of the things in war that's going to happen. We know when we're setting down helicopters with lots of troops in a dusty environment that there are going to be some incidents like that, and there were in this case.

But it went, from my view, it went flawlessly.



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The following comments of the General make me wonder:

I don't think that report is accurate in the context that it was written.

My guess is and my belief is that every soldier that came back from that particular raid is back on duty today.

1 posted on 11/04/2001 12:21:42 PM PST by Kenyon
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To: Kenyon
This was discussed yesterday.

It is difficult to believe Hirsch in the light of the information freely released by Pentagon previously.

For example, this 18 MEG mpg video of the inclusion.

From the DoD News Briefing - the actual incursion at night (MUST SEE for FREEPERS with adequate bandwidth)

IMO, the DOD has been more open, frank, and detailed -- in contrast to Hersch in this matter.

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G d bless the United States and its troops in Enduring Freedom.

2 posted on 11/04/2001 12:24:34 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis
But was the video from the: (1) Ranger operation or (2) from the DELTA force operation?

I would be very surprised if the Pentagon released video from a DELTA force operation. That's the point, really, with respect to the General's comments. It seems as if he is talking about the Ranger operation, whereas Hersh is talking about the DELTA force operation.

3 posted on 11/04/2001 12:44:23 PM PST by Kenyon
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To: Kenyon
There was no resistance.

then

The Taliban probably did return fire.

I am perfectly willing to take the General at his word. A man of his position and rank, though, might want to string his words together with a little more precision while on national TV.

4 posted on 11/04/2001 12:46:24 PM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: Kenyon
but this helicopter landing in a dust storm, rolled over on landing...
I thought that was their original story and then it was changed to say that it encountered some fire. Maybe I'm mistaken.
5 posted on 11/04/2001 12:48:27 PM PST by lelio
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To: Illbay
Hah.
6 posted on 11/04/2001 12:48:33 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Kenyon
Hersh is not known for his accuracy. He's a journalistic showboat and if we had 12 guys with sprained ankles from the jump, will gladly turn that 'tid-bit' into a big story.

Buyer beware when Hersh is involved.

7 posted on 11/04/2001 12:52:20 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Kenyon
It was one op with two elements and the General is well aware of both.
8 posted on 11/04/2001 12:54:20 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Ditto
I thought his book on Kennedy was on the mark. None of the info. in it was ever truly rebutted by anyone.
9 posted on 11/04/2001 12:54:59 PM PST by Kenyon
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To: Kenyon
That other operations have been conducted inside Afghanistan by US forces has already been officially admitted. For whatever reason, there is almost no official information regarding these other operations. If casualties occurred during some of these other operations, would that really be so surprising? Given the reluctance of officials to discuss these other operations at all, why should we expect any information with respect to casualties or levels of resistance?
10 posted on 11/04/2001 12:55:18 PM PST by sourcery
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To: jwalsh07
The General is talking about "one particular raid" - not one operation. Was it one operation with multiple raids?
11 posted on 11/04/2001 12:57:20 PM PST by Kenyon
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To: Kenyon
In recent years the government has shown so little integrity and has lied so many times, I can't trust any statements from it.
12 posted on 11/04/2001 1:15:48 PM PST by RLK
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To: Kenyon
The following comments of the General make me wonder: ...

I couldn't agree more. As soon as I saw that bit about "in the context in which it was written," I thought, "uh-oh, weasel-wording." The bit about "every soldier that came back" being on duty was worse.

Whether true or not, the General leaves the impression that (a) Hersh got good info, but it was about a mission that was never announced, and (b) some of the people who went never came back.

I don't know what to think now. I think Hersh is a weasel, but a weasel-worded denial was worse than no denial at all.

My memo to Rumsfeld: Keep this guy off the tube. He learned how to talk from Clinton.


13 posted on 11/04/2001 1:28:25 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: RLK
I have information that the Taliban has taken some US military prisoners. I know a Russian man who is currently being interviewed by the CIA about that very fact. He was a Russian soldier held as a prisioner of war during the Soviet-Afghanistan War of the 1980's. He was held in an underground prision in Afhganistan and the CIA wants to know about his ordeal.
14 posted on 11/04/2001 1:32:04 PM PST by LetsRok
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To: sourcery
Your points are well taken.

That's why the General should have responded with a: "I'm not talking about secret operations" - rather than the Clinton-like double-speak that appears to have been uttered.

15 posted on 11/04/2001 1:35:15 PM PST by Kenyon
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To: Kenyon
I thought his book on Kennedy was on the mark. None of the info. in it was ever truly rebutted by anyone.

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It was true. It was corroborated independently.

16 posted on 11/04/2001 1:36:26 PM PST by RLK
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To: Kenyon
I don't put a lot of trust in articles written by guys named "Seymour".
17 posted on 11/04/2001 1:38:43 PM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: Kenyon
Two elements, one airborne company delivered by C130 and Air Cav support.
18 posted on 11/04/2001 1:39:43 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
The General appears to be talking about one element, whereas Hersh seems to be talking about the other.
19 posted on 11/04/2001 1:43:14 PM PST by Kenyon
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To: Kenyon
Can you imagine the New Yorker publishing a blatantly false and biased article?

D__n right!

After the Vince Foster murder they wrote a lengthy article with dozens of factual errors and misrepresentations in a clear effort to cover for the criminal Clintons.

This magazine is not fit for puppy training!
20 posted on 11/04/2001 1:45:13 PM PST by cgbg
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