How the Chairperson of the Womens and Gender Studies feels about my free speech!!!!!

Mine | 11/3/01 | Charles Hall

[pitt]

-----Original Message----- From: Charles Hall [ mailto:pitbull@accesstoledo.com ] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:13 PM To: dsharp@utnet.utoledo.edu Subject: Teach In The answer is simple: Your either with US or or With the Terrorists !!!! DON'T E-MAIL YOUR TERRORIST LOVING CRAP TO ME AGAIN. Charles Hall JBarlow@UTNet.UToledo.Edu wrote: Mr. Hall, I am responding to your email (below) to Diana Sharp, who is secretary of the Department of Women's and Gender Studies at the University of Toledo, as well as a UT student. As chair of the department and a university professor, I want to point out to you that your response is inappropriate and harassing. It is your right as a citizen of this country to hold whatever beliefs you want; however, it is not your right to impose those beliefs on anyone else. It is the right of every citizen in a country based on free-speech to articulate their beliefs, and, therefore, the right of every member of the UT community to examine and discuss not only the events of September 11, but also the events leading to that horrible day, as well as the subsequent responses of the United States. Our teach-in is primarily informational; it is an attempt to provide a forum for students in particular, but also for staff and faculty, to learn more about U.S. and global histories and cultures, to discuss their concerns, and to ask questions. Many people in the UT and Toledo communities are experts in these areas, and we have invited some of them to speak and address the concerns and questions. It is not necessary for me to respond to your rude and harassing email, but I have chosen to do so in the hope that you can learn that hate-speech is never appropriate and that there are policies and procedures in place at UT, which you have violated. I assume that you will respect both my effort to respond to you and the fact that it would be a very bad idea for you to email me in return or ever again email anyone in this department. You can be assured that your email will be addressed according to those policies and procedures, which, by the way, follow federal guidelines. I have copied my email to Ms. Sharp, to the asscociate dean of the Humanities, the dean of the College of Arts and Sciences, and to the President of the University of Toledo. Dr. Jamie Barlowe Chair, Dept. of Women's and Gender Studies University of Toledo Toledo, OH 43606 (419) 530-2233; FAX (419) 530-4411 jbarlow@utnet.utoledo.edu

[pitt]

I was sent this by the Chairperson of the Women's and Gender's Studies at the University of Toledo. I don't think you need to agree or disagree about the teach-in, but I would say that my free-of-speech is not welcome. I sent the original e-mail in response to the Womens and Gender Stuies doing a Teach-In on November 5 for the 9/11 terrorist attach. The Chairperson wanted to foster understanding about different points of view. Instead of what I said, I should have said I was sorry wee had tall building get in the way of "Freedom Fighters." Charles Hall University of Toledo Student

[Rudder]

What was the content of your e-mail?

[Rudder]

Or, what did Hall's e-mail say?

[Jim Scott]

Whenever you respond to a liberal with any sort of negative emotion, they use that to dismiss you.
If you attempt to argue facts, they talk you to death and won't stay on the subject. They use emotional knee-jerk reponses themselves but refuse to allow anyone who disagrees with them to do so.
Here, you got the 'sweet reason' and veiled threat response to an emotional e-mail. I would forget it.

[muawiyah]

Looks like ol' at JBarlow@UTNet.UToledo.Edu has definitely been a barely disguised cryptofascist. Not surprised at all to see her sell out to the Taliban so early.

I have a catalog showing the latest prices for burqas in Kabul. Bet she'd bet interested!

[the808bass]

but I have chosen to do so in the hope that you can learn that hate-speech is never appropriate and that there are policies and procedures in place at UT, which you have violated.

You got the relevant points from UT's policy to post? I don't think that there's any way that what you said violated university policy, unless saying "crap" is against university policy.

[Beeline40@aol.com]

Post your email. what did it say

[pitt]

My orginal e-mail was: Subject: Teach In The answer is simple: Your either with US or or With the Terrorists !!!!

[FOMTY]

Womyn's Studies student can't take someone protesting her campus-wide email and runs crying to the department "chair", who proceeds to threaten you with "federal regulations".

They really teach these womyn to be "independent" and "stand up for themselves" don't they?

[pitt]

To anyone who wants, just e-mail me and I will forward you all the original e-mails. PS: I can't get anyone to tell me if I am under investigation or not!!!!!

[Happygal]

That's all you said? ``You're either with us or with the terrorists?'.

[j.cam]

I freaking hate liberals. They believe free speech only applies to them. How in the hell was your e-mail harassing???

[dighton]

To anyone who wants, just e-mail me and I will forward you all the original e-mails.

Why not just post them here?

[pitt]

The Department of Women's and Gender Studies announces a teach-in about the violence of September 11. The entire university community is welcome to join in a full day of challenging dialogue and discussion, music, films, and educative workshops. The teach-in is designed to address a broad variety of questions and concerns generated by the violence of September 11 and the US response. The teach-in will be held Monday, November 5 from 9:00 AM to 5:30 PM in the "T-Section" of the Student Union. A detailed schedule follows. 9:00-10:00am - Foreign Policy / Debt Relief / NAFTA 10:00-11:00am - Student Organizations on Hate Speech 11:00-Noon - Hate Crimes and Bioterrorism Noon-1:00pm - Music and Protest Art Workshops 1:00-2:00pm - The Culture and Politics of Islam 2:00-3:00pm - Panel with Alumna Shamila Chaudray 3:00-4:00pm - Controlling Culture / RAWA 4:00-5:30pm - Wrap-Up Sessions For more information, please don't hesitate to call Diana Sharp, Secretary, The Department of Women's and Gender Studies. Contact information for replies to this message: Name: Diana K Sharp Department/organization: Women's and Gender Studies UT Location: UH 4260A Phone Number: 530-2233 Email Address: dsharp@utnet.utoledo.edu For detailed information about events, schedules, calendars, and other information, see the UT Events Page: http://www.utoledo.edu/events.htmlx

[pitt]

Mr. Hall, I am responding to your email (below) to Diana Sharp, who is secretary of the Department of Women's and Gender Studies at the University of Toledo, as well as a UT student. As chair of the department and a university professor, I want to point out to you that your response is inappropriate and harassing. It is your right as a citizen of this country to hold whatever beliefs you want; however, it is not your right to impose those beliefs on anyone else. It is the right of every citizen in a country based on free-speech to articulate their beliefs, and, therefore, the right of every member of the UT community to examine and discuss not only the events of September 11, but also the events leading to that horrible day, as well as the subsequent responses of the United States. Our teach-in is primarily informational; it is an attempt to provide a forum for students in particular, but also for staff and faculty, to learn more about U.S. and global histories and cultures, to discuss their concerns, and to ask questions. Many people in the UT and Toledo communities are experts in these areas, and we have invited some of them to speak and address the concerns and questions. It is not necessary for me to respond to your rude and harassing email, but I have chosen to do so in the hope that you can learn that hate-speech is never appropriate and that there are policies and procedures in place at UT, which you have violated. I assume that you will respect both my effort to respond to you and the fact that it would be a very bad idea for you to email me in return or ever again email anyone in this department. You can be assured that your email will be addressed according to those policies and procedures, which, by the way, follow federal guidelines. I have copied my email to Ms. Sharp, to the asscociate dean of the Humanities, the dean of the College of Arts and Sciences, and to the President of the University of Toledo. Dr. Jamie Barlowe Chair, Dept. of Women's and Gender Studies University of Toledo Toledo, OH 43606 (419) 530-2233; FAX (419) 530-4411 jbarlow@utnet.utoledo.edu -----Original Message----- From: Charles Hall [mailto:pitbull@accesstoledo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:13 PM To: dsharp@utnet.utoledo.edu Subject: Teach In The answer is simple: Your either with US or or With the Terrorists !!!! DON'T E-MAIL YOUR TERRORIST LOVING CRAP TO ME AGAIN. Charles Hall

[pitt]

Hate-Speech??????????? You talk of not agreeing? You say that you have right to freedom of speech????? I have the right to my freedom of speech to tell you that it is hate speech to caddle to the terrorist who kill 6000 Americans. I repeat DO NOT E-MAIL ME YOUR CRAP. CHARLES HALL JBarlow@UTNet.UToledo.Edu wrote: Mr. Hall, I am responding to your email (below) to Diana Sharp, who is secretary of the Department of Women's and Gender Studies at the University of Toledo, as well as a UT student. As chair of the department and a university professor, I want to point out to you that your response is inappropriate and harassing. It is your right as a citizen of this country to hold whatever beliefs you want; however, it is not your right to impose those beliefs on anyone else. It is the right of every citizen in a country based on free-speech to articulate their beliefs, and, therefore, the right of every member of the UT community to examine and discuss not only the events of September 11, but also the events leading to that horrible day, as well as the subsequent responses of the United States. Our teach-in is primarily informational; it is an attempt to provide a forum for students in particular, but also for staff and faculty, to learn more about U.S. and global histories and cultures, to discuss their concerns, and to ask questions. Many people in the UT and Toledo communities are experts in these areas, and we have invited some of them to speak and address the concerns and questions. It is not necessary for me to respond to your rude and harassing email, but I have chosen to do so in the hope that you can learn that hate-speech is never appropriate and that there are policies and procedures in place at UT, which you have violated. I assume that you will respect both my effort to respond to you and the fact that it would be a very bad idea for you to email me in return or ever again email anyone in this department. You can be assured that your email will be addressed according to those policies and procedures, which, by the way, follow federal guidelines. I have copied my email to Ms. Sharp, to the asscociate dean of the Humanities, the dean of the College of Arts and Sciences, and to the President of the University of Toledo. Dr. Jamie Barlowe Chair, Dept. of Women's and Gender Studies University of Toledo Toledo, OH 43606 (419) 530-2233; FAX (419) 530-4411 jbarlow@utnet.utoledo.edu -----Original Message----- From: Charles Hall [mailto:pitbull@accesstoledo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:13 PM To: dsharp@utnet.utoledo.edu Subject: Teach In The answer is simple: Your either with US or or With the Terrorists !!!! DON'T E-MAIL YOUR TERRORIST LOVING CRAP TO ME AGAIN. Charles Hall

[Gimlet]

Sounds like a pretty reasonable reply to me. Is that your oriinal message at the top of the your post? Doesn't sound like a very convincing way to conduct an arggument - sounds more like an angry teenager lost for words and out of his depth. To answer these people you have to get smarter than that.

[pitt]

That is the exchange of the e-mail? I hope my "Hate Speech" did not hurt any feelings!!!!!!!!!

[j.cam]

"Sounds like a pretty reasonable reply to me." Reasonable? Obviously you can give a damn about free speech. There was nothing harassing about his e-mail message.

[ConservativeLibrarian]

Sounds like someone is trying to bully you. If the entirety of your e-mail message really was "The answer is simple: Your either with US or or With the Terrorists !!!! DON'T E-MAIL YOUR TERRORIST LOVING CRAP TO ME AGAIN," I cannot see how they would be able to establish that you engaged in "hate speech" from this, even with the typical expression-chilling campus speech codes in place on many campus. You did not threaten any one, or use a slur (I cannot imagine that “terrorist-lover” is a slur against a protected class, but perhaps it is by now.)

I would like to offer a piece of advice, however. It always helps, in order to counter the unwarranted perception held by academics that only inbred knuckle-dragging hicks are politically conservative, to utilize a spelling and grammar checker whenever you communicate with them. This is especially desirable when you are debating them. As it is, you have given the professor a wonderful writing sample illustrating how ill-mannered and poorly educated conservative students can be. For an example from the other side, please see Front Page Magazine’s spelling and grammar contest.