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12 U.S. DELTA MEMBERS WOUNDED ON RAID OF OMAR
Drudge ^ | 11/3/01

Posted on 11/03/2001 6:04:22 AM PST by Diogenesis

MAG: 12 U.S. DELTA MEMBERS WOUNDED ON RAID OF OMAR'S COMPLEX, THREE SERIOUSLY; PENTAGON RETHINKS 'SPECIAL FORCES OPERATIONS'

Seymour Hersh has filed yet another controversial report for coming editons of the NEW YORKER, publishing sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

In ESCAPE AND EVASION, Hersh claims: In the wake of a near-disaster during the assault on Mullah Omar's complex during the early morning of October 20th, the Pentagon has been rethinking future Special Forces operations inside Afghanistan.

Delta Force, which prides itself on stealth, had been counterattacked by the Taliban, and some of the Americans had had to fight their way to safety. Hersh has filed his report for the November 12, 2001 issue of the NEW YORKER, on sale Monday.

Twelve Delta members were wounded, three of them seriously.

The intensity and ferocity of the Taliban response "scared the crap out of everyone," a senior military officer tells Hersh.

The Delta team stormed Mullah Omar's complex, but found little of value, Hersh reports, and then, "as they came out of the house, the shit hit the fan," one senior officer says. "It was like an ambush. The Taliban were fighting with light arms and either [rocket-propelled grenades] or mortars." The team immediately began taking casualties and evacuated.

"The Delta team was forced to abandon one of its objectives: the insertion of an undercover team into the area and the stay-behind soldiers fled to a previously determined rendezvous point, using a contingency plan known as an E. & E., for escape and evasion," Hersh writes.


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To: Travis McGee; sneakypete
This could be some clever disinformation, to get them to think we'll never, ever be going in and we didn't get any idea where OBL is hiding from the raid. If so the assault may happen soon.
102 posted on 11/03/2001 7:50:05 AM PST by AGAviator
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To: Zordas
Please reference your Pentagon "quotes".
103 posted on 11/03/2001 7:54:06 AM PST by Rokke
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To: Diogenesis
Oh yeah this is true, all the SF troops went into the house and pillaged without leaving cover on the porch and when they left they were ambushed ? Oh yeahhhh, I really believe this happened. < / Sarcasm >

One found Omars bowl of gruel too hot, the other found Omars bowl of gruel too cold and the rest found it to be juuuuuuuuuust right :o) Sad that media helps Taliban supporters spread propaganda...........

104 posted on 11/03/2001 7:54:40 AM PST by Squantos
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To: Diogenesis
Seymour Hersh is has always been the most anti U.S military reporter there is. He's worthless piece of crap so I take his spin with a grain of salt

And any senior military officer that would leak, to of all people Seymour Hersh, would have to be a bottom of the barrel, gutless, backstabbing, Clinton promoted, piece of crap

105 posted on 11/03/2001 7:56:25 AM PST by tophat9000
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To: rond
Keep reporting, Hersh. We may not like what's coming out. But better to be informed than to clap our ears shut and huddle in ignorance.

Its true we will sustain casualties, and KIA's and probably some MIA's, this is the nature of war. But this guy paints a picture of doom and gloom, purposely trying to scare the american people and make them think we are in over our heads so to create opposition to the war by those scared americans.

This reporter could well have slanted it to make it look as it really was, an assault on the enemy by our brave special ops force and although they sustained light casualties, from heavy resistence of the Taliban, they accomplished their mission and extracted their forces from the area, with none killed. Although the special ops team met with an unsuspected heavy resistence, during the engagement hundreds of taliban soldiers are thought to have died.

Now thats the way to write this story, which is probably exactly the way it happened.

106 posted on 11/03/2001 7:57:38 AM PST by rstevens
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To: Kenyon
"not from the high level cover your ass policy types"

I thought it extremely obvious that this story sources ONLY "high level cover your ass policy types"!

107 posted on 11/03/2001 7:58:32 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: Bigg Red
I'm with you Bigg Red, I wish this whole thread would shut up along with the irresponsible media types. Whose side are they on any way?
108 posted on 11/03/2001 7:58:43 AM PST by pattycake
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To: Zordas
No, that was the raid where we engaged the retreating column that violated the ceasefire by firing upon our troops.
109 posted on 11/03/2001 7:59:48 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Kennard
Hersh's source(s) are officers promoted by Clinton. That's the only reason that an officer would confide anything in a snake like Hersh. The result here is a portion of truth with a strong politically-motivated defeatist spin.

Exactly -- you nailed it!

From salon.com, here is an excerpt from Salon's "Brillant Careers" section. This excerpt was about Hersh who I also believe uses "a portion of truth with a strong politically-motivated defeatist spin".

...So Hersh quit, and at columnist Mary McGrory's behest, went to work for Eugene McCarthy's presidential campaign, convinced that the senator was the country's best bet to end the Vietnam War...

110 posted on 11/03/2001 8:01:23 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Jthro
How could people get so bent out of shape? "Band of Brothers" has been running on TV.If they just look at Spielberg's convincing simulation of combat, they get some notion how chaotic it is and that people do get killed and wounded.
112 posted on 11/03/2001 8:05:18 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Zordas
"Two rounds, wasn't it? Tsk, tsk."

Were you there to count those rounds or were you merely relying upon Seymor Hersh's report? The number of rounds really doesn't matter. When you've been defeated by an overwhelming force, one is well advised not to antagonize that force by so much as breaking wind.

113 posted on 11/03/2001 8:06:44 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: mrsmith
If I were the military I could make this gentlement jump in with the troopers and learn what its all about from the ground up.
114 posted on 11/03/2001 8:08:30 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Bigg Red
"That "senior officer" should SHUT UP! Loose lips..."

Yes, my thoughts exactly!

115 posted on 11/03/2001 8:10:19 AM PST by Gimme
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To: Benrand
I'm not sure I buy the "scared the crap" line...

Does this even sound like a military officer? Doesn't to me. "Hey, we went in there and they had GUNS! GUNS I say. And they had live ammo. And it was all just a bit much. We had to lie down and take a brief respite."

116 posted on 11/03/2001 8:10:26 AM PST by the808bass
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To: rstevens
"(T)his guy paints a picture of doom and gloom, purposely trying to scare the american people and make them think we are in over our heads so to create opposition to the war by those scared americans."

The only person who can MAKE me "think we are in over our heads" is me. Reporters can report, writers can write; analysts can do all the analyzing they want. Only the weak of mind will fall sway to whatever bias exists in the words, the voice, the inflection of others.

I'm certain that you, as a free thinker and member of a great web community, will be able to accept the information in Hersh's story without becoming a victim of the "doom and gloom" you say Hersh is trying to peddle. Above all, however, let's agree that knowledge is our power. We should seek it from all sources and use our own reasoning, our own sense, to make decisions.

117 posted on 11/03/2001 8:13:03 AM PST by rond
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
It's a failed strategy because there is no tactical air support. That's it. These guys have to set up a forward command, fire mortars and artillery and advance after the enemies positions have been neutralized. I thought throwing battle green rangers in against an experienced enemy on their turf was a recipe for failure. These a-holes are accomplished snipers and fighters.

Eventually we will just make a black streaked pit out of Kandahar and Kabul. Should have been done 48 hours after the Taleban said no to turning over Bin Laden. We will still probably end up doing this.

118 posted on 11/03/2001 8:14:37 AM PST by kingh99
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To: d14truth
I thought ABC's David Westin said something to the effect that an 'objective' journalist would not exploit the news for a personal 'agenda', only report it. Mr. Hersh is an 'exploiter', IMHO.

David who? ;) Think about all thr reporters whose name you know by heart. Who are they with? What are their positions: politically and professionally? Conservatives learned a long time ago the corrollary to David's observation: that a reporter with an agenda will exploit the news to promote themselves.

119 posted on 11/03/2001 8:18:06 AM PST by BradyLS
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To: Bill Rice
"I've never been able to understand why so many Jews back the left. "

Check this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3981e13c05fc.htm#3

120 posted on 11/03/2001 8:19:48 AM PST by bayourod
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