Archbshp Sheen's Prophetic warning of 50 years ago: Mary and the Moslems; The Significance of Fatima

The Mindzenty Report, published by the Cardinal Mindzenty Foundation ^ | 11/1/01 | Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

[goodform]

Our Lady of Fatima Bump!!

[annalex]

contradiction to natural reason.

Funny, I had a conversation on FR just yesterday with a Lutheran minister, and he pointed out that the flaw in Calvinism is its reliance on humanly limited reason in building the doctrine of double predestination.

I agree on your main point. That is why I think that we won't see conversions to Christianity in any great numbers, but we do see acceptance of Western practices that are a consequence of Christianity: free thinking, tolerance of diversity, bourgeois work ethic, tolerance of small vice.

[Mr. Thorne]

I'd like to be on that list, if you wouldn't mind.

Vivat Jesus!

[patent]

But, the position of a Christian missionary in an Islamic country is very perilous -- almost as dangerous as it was to be a Jesuit in Elizabethan England. Unless the radical governments, such as Saudi Arabia's, are compelled to renounce Sharia, the prospect of conversion through preaching and disputation seems very remote.

The position of a Christian missionary has almost always been very perilous. It isn’t just Elizabethan England or Islamic countries. Many other lands that are now Christian fought the missionaries tooth and nail, whether shrinking their heads or merely cutting them off.

There is something brutally consistent that the U.S., where it is illegal to pray on public property, supports a regime that imposes a death penalty for conversion to Christianity.

Yes, and it doesn’t bode well for the alleged superiority of Western Civ.

patent  +AMDG

[patent]

“Today we no longer understand ecumenism in the sense of a return, by which the others would ‘be converted’ and return to being ‘catholics.’ This was expressly abandoned by Vatican II.” - Cardinal Walter Kasper, Head of Pontifical Council for Christian Unity

I would love to see the good Cardinal (or you, but I doubt you agree with him) prove that statement. I don’t recall any such thing in V2, though I have quite clearly seen it in the so-called “spirit of V2.”

patent  +AMDG

[Jethro Tull]

I watched him as a kid.

I loved the 'angles' who erased his blackboard for him.

[Logophile]

But, the position of a Christian missionary in an Islamic country is very perilous . . . Unless the radical governments, such as Saudi Arabia's, are compelled to renounce Sharia, the prospect of conversion through preaching and disputation seems very remote. . . . There will never be any widespread conversion from Islam to Christianity for as long as the government can impose a death sentence for "apostasy."

At present, Christian missionary work seems impossible in countries such as Saudi Arabia. Yet with God nothing is impossible: perhaps He will open those countries to missionaries some day.

In the meantime, there are millions of Muslims living in Europe and North America. Why not send missionaries to them?

[Ronaldus Magnus]

Great article! I had never made the Fatima connection between Our Lady and Islam.

[Aquinasfan]

Probably taken out of context. Specifically, ecumenism, or "ecumenical dialogue" is first to simply communicate and second, to establish a common ground as a basis for communication. Truth can never be compromised.

The high point of the ecumenical movement thus far has been the Joint Declaration on Justification signed by the Catholic Church and one of the largest Lutheran bodies.

The ultimate goal of the ecumenical movement is the re-unification of Christendom or the re-unification of the Catholic Church, the Church which Christ founded, the "pillar and foundation of truth," and the church which we should go to to settle disputes, as Christ instructed us.

[Merovingian]

ON Please.....

[firebrand]

Thanks for the ping. As an Iranian woman pointed out to an American journalist, Mary wore hajeb. An excellent contribution, proud2bRC.

[firebrand]

hejab

[Aquinasfan]

I agree with your main point.

he pointed out that the flaw in Calvinism is its reliance on humanly limited reason in building the doctrine of double predestination.

I would think the opposite would be the case. I think the unreasonableness of the doctrine explains its unpopularity. Unaided reason tells us that God is Good. Therefore, it would be impossible for Him to will damnation for some people from all eternity, particularly without regard to their actions and decisions for or against God.

[Bellarmine]

I don't see any other context in which the statement can be taken. It is completely straightforward. Your reference to the context is a weak attempt to dodge the issue.

The Lutheran - Catholic accord on justification was a complete disaster. In the end it accomplished nothing. How can a Lutheran be justified without professing the Catholic faith?

[patent]

I don't see any other context in which the statement can be taken. It is completely straightforward. Your reference to the context is a weak attempt to dodge the issue.

Then why don’t you prove that this is what V2 said? It didn’t say that, and you know it. The Cardinal’s opinion is no more then that, the Cardinal’s opinion. You can take it as Gospel all you like, it isn’t.

patent  +AMDG

[Marysecretary]

No, Aquinasfan, I don't believe the Holy Spirit operates through Mary at all. As you can see, I'm not a Catholic and Mary is a Catholic ideal, not a protestant one. I believe she was the mother of Jesus Christ and that was her main purpose. The Holy Spirit will baptize the Muslims in the Holy Spirit without her help.

[Bellarmine]

Why all the animosity? I won't point out any place where Vatican II says this, because I can't. I just wanted to point out how the top Vatican officials working on ecumenism view the issue. The question is, do we support the Vatican now or harken back to past teachings of the church?

[ZULU]

In the final analysis, I think the decision as to who is to be saved is a choice God alone will make.

How can a finite mind possibly fathom the thought processes of an Infinite Intellect?

[easy1]

Has anyone read Tom Robbin,s book...Fierce Invalids Home From Hot Climates...? In it he gives very clearly the three predictions; which Mary gave to those girls on her visits to them in Fatima...also they can be found easily on the web. easy1

[Stand Watch Listen]

bttt

At the present time, the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming a hatred against Christianity itself.

Hmmmm...fifty years later and we still have not realized the peril.