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Was it wrong to lead viewers to believe that the homosexual heroes were heterosexual?

Posted on 11/01/2001 4:34:14 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs

News Watch UPDATE

*** The Buzz ***

Many mainstream news media have failed to report that some of the more prominent heroes of the Sept. 11 attacks were gay. The omissions lead readers to believe that these people were heterosexual.

How relevant is it for journalists to mention someone's sexual orientation in not only this story, but all stories? How does it affect the context of the story by reporting someone's sexual orientation?

Join in the discussion and read what reporters and editors who wrote about these gay heroes are saying on The Buzz. News Watch Gay Buzz


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To: Russell Scott
How do you know for sure that Jesus Christ exists?
101 posted on 11/02/2001 5:28:45 AM PST by Chicago Guy 2
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To: IceCreamSocialist; Lilly
That same chapter of Leviticus is full of rules that almost nobody but Chasidic Jews follow. Trimming beards, eating shellfish, eating pork, etc...

I do not understand why people pick and choose the rules they follow and condem other people for picking a different subset from the same menu. There is no apparent hierarchy of importance in these rules in Leviticus. It isn't written "these here, they're really important, some of these others, like the one about shrimp, you can ignore if you choose."

It appears that you are unfamiliar with the New Testament book of Acts. In there, you'll find the story of how it was decided by the Apostles that Christians did not have to become Jews first. All of the rules concerning diet, circumcision, and the like were not to be binding on Christians except those involving sexual morality.

As you can see, individuals are not "picking and choosing" what they obey, but obeying the word of God. Thank you for the opportunity to pass along this information!

102 posted on 11/02/2001 5:32:02 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Abn1508
Legally his _parents_ would, but his partner should.

I see. That relationship should be treated just like a marriage. Same thing. Sure, okay.

103 posted on 11/02/2001 5:35:51 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: athiestwithagun
It sure seems to matter to the ( | )PiR8's!
104 posted on 11/02/2001 5:38:50 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: gcruse
Actually, I think we need to have sexual orientation listed in the news and wherever possible so you people can figure out who to hate.

Sorry, but it is the sin that we hate, not the sinner.

Although I reserve the right to get "snippy" right back at the agenda pimps as needed. ;-)

105 posted on 11/02/2001 5:41:10 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Lancey Howard
In cases where there is a long-term commitment, sure. I'm not grasping where there's anything wrong with that. Look, if a heterosexual couple, one of them in the military, lives together for a number of years, jointly own a house, have kids, but choose not to get married, should the _parents_ of the servicemember get the flag or the "common-law spouse." Under military law, the common-law spouse. Long term "partners" are common-law spouses in everything but law and from an "honor" standpoint, honoring the choice of the dead hero, they should get the flag.

Do I think that openly gay persons should be in the military? Huh, uh. Nope. Nada. Different thing entirely.

106 posted on 11/02/2001 5:58:12 AM PST by Abn1508
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I'll probably make an argument for that publicly at a later time. Both items.

We _know_ (within a reasonable shade of doubt) that two of the people engaged the hijackers, Glick and Burnett. The stewardess (forget her name) was "heating water" but there wasn't enough time to raise the temperature much, so who knows with her. Burnett stated that "three of us" were going to rush the hijackers. You're right, we can't know who the third was. We can't, in fact, know that it was those three who successfully downed the plane; they might have chickened out; they might have been killed on the way to the cockpit. And we can't know who the other five or six or fourteen or twenty who, knowing their fate and the fate of others, thinking that maybe they could _live_ if they tried, rushed the hijackers. They had known, through conversations, about the WTC for minutes. That is long enough, trust me, to run through quite a few emotions, one of them being rage.

We don't know. We can't know. What we do know is that _some_ persons on the plane, acting as "unorganized militia" by the standards of Federal Code, successfully downed the plane and saved either hundreds or possibly thousands of other lives.

Since we _don't_ know who was involved, under the circumstances it is mete to presume that _everyone_ on the plane, from the oldest to the youngest, acted in an heroic manner and the finest traditions of the American Patriot. Yes, give them all military funerals. Strike a medal in their honor and give it to their spouses, parents and, yes, "long term partners."

They were all Americans and they were all afraid and some, many perhaps, acted heroically. That is more than enough for me. I don't give a sh*t what their sexual orientation was. By sheer numerics, at least one was a pedophile. He's a hero too.

107 posted on 11/02/2001 6:07:33 AM PST by Abn1508
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To: FUSSBALL
"Homosexuals make up 10% " Actually, those who practice homosexual behavior make up only from 2 to 4% of the population according to all of the recent surveys. The 10% number is a lie originally invented from a pervert named kinsey who purposely skewed and lied about his data, often collected in "gay" bars, to advance his own agenda.

Anytime you see this 10% number, it should be refuted.

108 posted on 11/02/2001 6:15:24 AM PST by baxter999
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To: Abn1508
Yes, they are all heros. But leave their sex partners out of it.

Should we recognize a man's wife AND his long term mistress? Do we recognize 'long term sex partners' if they had different residences, or only if they lived together? And if a man was having 'long term sex' with several people, should we recognize them all or only the one who claims to be the best in bed?

Spouses? Yes. Sex partners? No.

109 posted on 11/02/2001 6:32:08 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: dubyaismypresident; IceCreamSocialist
Noogie! Noogie!

You hold his head and I'll administer the obligatory atomic wedgie, dude. I just love makin' these new kids cry... ;)

110 posted on 11/02/2001 9:56:19 AM PST by maxwell
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To: baxter999; FUSSBALL; FormerLib; NotTheDevil; Manny Festo; erizona; Clint N. Suhks; George W. Bush
"Anytime you see this 10% number, it should be refuted."


From Reply #172 in the message thread "The Great "Gay" Racket [Free Republic]":

"The percentage of the general population that identifies itself as homosexual is actually much smaller than 10%. The original figure of 10%, provided by Dr. Alfred Kinsey (a zoologist who conducted sexual research without any psychological or psychiatric training) has never been duplicated by reputable researchers. For example, a 1991 national survey of sexually active adults done by the National Opinion Research Center shows that 98.4% of adults were exclusively heterosexual. (Smith TW. “Adult Sexual Behavior in 1989.” Family Planning Perspectives 1991, 23: 104.) A 1993 survey by the Battelle Human Affairs Research Centers found that only 1.1% of all Americans are exclusively homosexual. (Rensberger B. “How Many Men in US Are Gay?” Washington Post, April 17, 1993, p. A-1.)

A survey conducted by the Alan Guttmacher Institute in 1993 found that 1% of men consider themselves exclusively homosexual. (Barringer F. “Sex Survey of American Men Finds 1% Are Gay.” New York Times, April 15, 1993, p. A-1.) And a 1994 National Health and Social Life Survey at the University of Chicago found that 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual. (Vobejda B. “Survey Finds Most Adults Sexually Staid.” Washington Post, October 7, 1994, p. A-1.)

A March 1994 article in the American Journal of Psychiatry cites several surveys of American men showing the prevalence of homosexuality. For example, the National Survey of Men found that only 1.1% of men had been exclusively homosexual during the preceding ten years. Another study found that 2.4% of men are currently homosexual. (Cited by Seidman SN & Rieder RO. “A Review of Sexual Behavior in the United States.” American Journal of Psychiatry 1994, 151: 339.)..."


See section "4. The Homosexuals: Their Numbers" at: Some Things You May Not Know About Homosexuality Published by the Minnesota Family Council

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111 posted on 11/02/2001 11:12:18 AM PST by EdReform
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I continue to fail seeing the relevance of their sexual practices in such a situation.
113 posted on 11/02/2001 11:33:56 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
We can portray our media no more foolishly than they portray themselves through such a stupid debate.
116 posted on 11/02/2001 11:48:34 AM PST by The Duke
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
This is revisionist CR^P!!
All true heroes were "Straight shooters" unlike the degenerates attempting to create some cover for themselves
117 posted on 11/02/2001 11:56:50 AM PST by Surge-on
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs; EdReform; RnMomof7
This is why I never did call any of our fallen citizens heroes. They've been prepping this sodomite propaganda from day one. Notice the Shepardized photographs of Bingham for instance. Notice how quickly they dragged his mother on television. I think she started making appearances on TV only 2-3 hours after the crash. Hell, they hadn't even found his body yet. The whole thing reeked of slick media manipulation.

And none of them, regardless of sexual behavior, are actually heroes in the same sense as the firemen or policemen who get killed on the job like at WTC or heroes like some of our combat veterans. They are not in the same class.

The people who resisted the hijacking didn't have any choice. They could have cowered and lived ten minutes longer or they could fight and have a chance to live. It's pretty clear from the phone conversations that they knew it too.

That's not exactly the heroic ideal as I've always understood it. But I was and still am glad they fought back. I think they all knew they were likely to die either way. But letting the terrorists continue was certain death. Fighting gave them a slim chance.
119 posted on 11/02/2001 3:53:24 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Manny Festo
You've got a live one.
120 posted on 11/02/2001 4:04:44 PM PST by George W. Bush
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