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1 posted on 11/01/2001 3:37:09 PM PST by motife
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To: motife
May be true, may not be true. But I'd like to have a more objective party making these assertions.
2 posted on 11/01/2001 3:42:12 PM PST by Trust but Verify
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Of course they can afford to do this as Bush just ordered what, $50,000,000.00 to them, nothing new huh, arm the enemy! When do we Quit this and with our money not the Gov'ts/ People you are going deeper and deeper into a deeeeeeep sleep, trust me!
4 posted on 11/01/2001 3:45:21 PM PST by horsewhispersc
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Navy keeps an eye on Chinese aircraft carrier By Brian Hsu

STAFF REPORTER

The navy has been closely watching a former Soviet Union aircraft carrier that China bought from Ukraine in the name of a private company two years ago.

The ship had been moored in a Turkish port waiting for permission from the local government to pass through the Bosporus Straits, a military leader said recently.

It is estimated that the Varyag aircraft carrier is due to arrive at its announced destination -- Macao -- within one month of its passage through the Bosporus Straits of Turkey, said Navy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Li Chieh (§õ³Ç)."We believe the main purpose for China buying the carrier is not to use it against Taiwan. But the possibility of other uses is still there." Li Chieh, Navy commander-in-chief

"We have been keeping a close eye on the ship. We have taken a lot of photos of it. We believe the main purpose for China buying the carrier is not to use it against Taiwan. But the possibility of other uses is still there," Li said.

Li made the remarks at a recent press dinner as part of his answer to inquiries about the navy's view on China's imminent acquisition of the best used aircraft carrier it has ever bought from a foreign country.

It is rumored that China will use the Varyag as the model for its first aircraft carrier. However, Li declined to confirm this.

China bought the Varyag from Ukraine in the name of a Macao-based travel agency. The agency has been widely reported by the Western press as a front organization for the Chinese military whose purpose is to develop a floating entertainment complex.

The Turkish government announced on Thursday that the green light for the Varyag to move through the Bosporus Straits could be given any time after Thursday. China has been waiting two years for this permission to be given.

The Turkish government had been reluctant to give permission for the Varyag to pass through the Bosporus straits because it thought it was dangerous for the giant engineless ship to move through the narrow waterways.

But due to intensive diplomatic efforts by high-level Chinese government officials over the past few months, Ankara eventually compromised with Beijing last week.

The Chinese government's active involvement in the negotiations with Turkey over the Varyag issue gives strength to speculation that the ship is to be used by China to develop its first aircraft carrier.

A defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it is estimated that China has the ability to build its first aircraft carrier in five years on the basis of designs it has learned from foreign countries.

"The question now is whether China is capable of properly maintaining the aircraft carrier after its becomes operational. It will surely force China to increase its defense spending," the official said.

"In addition, China does not have enough pilots to operate Russian-made Su-30 fighter-bombers, which it plans to deploy on its first aircraft carrier. Su-30 pilots have to be well-trained for landing on the deck of the carrier. China has a long way to go yet to get enough qualified pilots for the carrier-based Su-30s," he said.

5 posted on 11/01/2001 3:46:27 PM PST by freedomnews
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uh, this isn't breaking news. it is a pov from a country that is a long-time enemy of Pakistan. I'm going to ask the moderator to remove it from "breaking news", but not necessarily the whole thread.
7 posted on 11/01/2001 3:52:57 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: motife
More Indian paranoia and efforts to bad mouth Pakistan. Next...
9 posted on 11/01/2001 3:55:31 PM PST by Liberals are Evil Socialists!
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To: motife
I have a stupid question.

Why aren't we imposing a blockade on Afganistan? Shouldn't we be shooting up anything moving into the region? It's not like they have many roads to chose from or anything.

Just a stupid question, or two.

18 posted on 11/01/2001 4:14:50 PM PST by Vortex
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The JSTARS aircraft just arriving there will detect this and the WARTHOGS will take them out. Now about the aircraft carrier, it needs to hit an old WW2 mine in the Black Sea.
19 posted on 11/01/2001 4:16:40 PM PST by blam
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To: motife
If true, it's time to take that convoy out!
20 posted on 11/01/2001 4:19:24 PM PST by mass55th
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Pakistan government arming Taliban at night

O.K.,................................................Nuke them 'at night'.

22 posted on 11/01/2001 4:35:29 PM PST by maestro
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To: motife
If true, JSTARS could make driving those supply trucks a very risky proposition, night or no night. And of course it would supply hard evidence to lay before the central Pak authorities.
23 posted on 11/01/2001 4:39:14 PM PST by El Gato
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To: motife
I doubt it is the government. India is not exactly objective when it comes to reporting Pakistan's activities (likewise, the same goes for Pakistan reporting on India).
24 posted on 11/01/2001 4:39:20 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: motife
President Bush hasn' t much time to gear up the general material air transport command.

We need many more planes, parts, and personnel than we have, in order to back up our troops.

26 posted on 11/01/2001 4:46:28 PM PST by First_Salute
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The Pakistan embassy in Washington, expectedly, denied the report.

Good! . . . They won't be in any position to complain when we annihilate a few fuel convoys headed west into Kandahar.

27 posted on 11/01/2001 5:40:37 PM PST by LibWhacker
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Since this was reported in Washington Times as well those dismissing this as Indian paranoia should get their heads examined. Do you guys really think that with all this talk of muslim brotherhood the pakis will just watch this from the sideline? How naive can you be?
29 posted on 11/01/2001 6:50:29 PM PST by MaxwellWolf
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To send the proper message, and if we know the route taken it should be a slam dunk to shut this activity down! If we own the sky as well as the night it sounds like a job for the 117's to mop up. If the so called goods get swept out with the bads so much the better.

The Packies are in league with the Taliban as we know so this will put Musharaf on notice to own up to his agreement with us or someone may look away at a critical time and who knows what evil lurks out there? Fair weather friends that have to be bought off with bribes and threats are not dependable and as last reported the weather report is changing, and a bad Moon has risen!

30 posted on 11/01/2001 6:52:31 PM PST by Windy-Dave
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To: motife
surprise surprise surprise
32 posted on 11/01/2001 9:46:58 PM PST by Red Jones
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