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To: MissAmericanPie
I've already listed some of the very real steps that have been taken to increase U.S. security but you choose to ignore anything that doesn't allow you to pound home your point regarding immigration and our porous borders.
I agree with the scope of the immigration problem but you also ignore even that agreement and keep going on and on about immigration like a zealot.

That's your choice but if you just want to make anti-immigration speeches, then please don't pretend to engage in a discussion only to ignore anything stated that doesn't fit your anti-immigration template. You would do well to recognize when those who agree with your overall position may not agree with every point you raise and to at least allow for a difference of opinion without condemning the Bush administration as useless and ineffectual on security and to wave away any opinion from someone who doesn't buy the concept that we can simply seal everything off and track hundreds of thousands of immigrants close enough to determine their whereabouts every hour.

Out of fear and apparently, anger, you propose that the government make everything 'safe', which is absurd. I doubt we'll see any airline hijackings now but what is to prevent a suicide bomber-type explosion in some huge mall by some demented Arab fanatic or even an American sympathizer?

There can be no such thing as total security in a huge country like ours that is open and free and not the semi-police state you seem to welcome. Please look at Israel. Think they have security better than ours? Oh yeah, and suicide bombers come and go at will, it would seem. My point is that short of a Cuba-like police state, you cannot have total security much less secure borders and totally controlled immigration. Won't happen, and pounding the Bush administration endlessly won't do a thing except relieve some of your apparent stress over this issue.

Yes, our borders are a joke and they must be made much, much tighter. The INS is a cruel joke and must be replaced or vastly reformed. Our whole attitude toward immigration must be altered but that will not happen soon, no matter what the Bush administration attempts to do. I believe that only one or two more terrorist acts will do that. This is still a democracy. When enough people are killed and the public rises up and slaps the faces of liberal senators and tells the media to go to hell when they talk about not profiling and tolerance for Muslim Arabs and so on, when we get serious about having tight borders again and realize that the people pouring across them now are not our friends in any way, then we'll get the kind of draconian actions you long for.

You may not like them once you have them and you still won't be 'secure' as you may assume you would be but after enough death and destruction you'll see a change, not before.

By the way, no need to apologize for anything and no one thinks you hate anyone but a zealous, one-note tone and blaming a President for not doing more when he's done plenty already that you ignore and wave away as nothing is not useful. You have an important issue to push, you want to make your point but you don't seem to be offer anything other than a one-note anti-Bush 'the sky is falling' position.

O.K., but other than attracting the real Bush-haters who just use your screeds as a jumping off point for another round of bashing, I don't see the point in saying the same thing over and over and dismissing those who see a little more being done than you'll admit.

335 posted on 05/22/2002 6:49:35 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Jim Scott
"Out of fear and apparently, anger, you propose that the government make everything 'safe', which is absurd."

It is the government and their, "Our diversity is our strength" moronic nonchalance about our future, that has made us unsafe. I expect them to fix it.

You say we have defeated Al Quada when all that actually happed is that they were captured then released to reform later. And they will reform later even if it is 20 years from now.

You say we have nailed their bank accounts? Article after article says we didn't even make a dent because of the special way they use the banking system, even Ben Ladin laughed about it.

Secure cock pit doors? How about a gun in the cockpit? No real man is going to sit inside a cock pit and listen to one stewardess after another beg for their lives as each one has their throats cut to the point of decapitation.

Homeland Security? It's function, so far, entails the most rediculous insult to the senses so far. To quote Bush, "You wanna fight terrorism? Find someone to help, teach a child to read." (gag) I guess if we are really, really, sweet to them they won't kill us.

Sure, some terrorist plots have been foiled, some people arrested that eventually some judge is going to demand released. Meanwhile, like I said, 50,000 more visas have been issued to terrorist nations just since 9-11, we don't know who is coming, where they are going, how to track them, or what their intentions are.

I don't see any real steps taken other than to insure the safety and protection of muslim terrorists and their supporters in this country via hate crimes legislation and terrorism laws. Those are da facts, not just my little opinion. All that is really being done is the government placing a false petina of action, to cover their inaction, on a situtation they seem to be happy to promote in order to keep those borders open. Logic stands alone, and mostly so do those that uphold it as a standard.

337 posted on 05/22/2002 7:23:48 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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