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To: Jim Scott
"Out of fear and apparently, anger, you propose that the government make everything 'safe', which is absurd."

It is the government and their, "Our diversity is our strength" moronic nonchalance about our future, that has made us unsafe. I expect them to fix it.

You say we have defeated Al Quada when all that actually happed is that they were captured then released to reform later. And they will reform later even if it is 20 years from now.

You say we have nailed their bank accounts? Article after article says we didn't even make a dent because of the special way they use the banking system, even Ben Ladin laughed about it.

Secure cock pit doors? How about a gun in the cockpit? No real man is going to sit inside a cock pit and listen to one stewardess after another beg for their lives as each one has their throats cut to the point of decapitation.

Homeland Security? It's function, so far, entails the most rediculous insult to the senses so far. To quote Bush, "You wanna fight terrorism? Find someone to help, teach a child to read." (gag) I guess if we are really, really, sweet to them they won't kill us.

Sure, some terrorist plots have been foiled, some people arrested that eventually some judge is going to demand released. Meanwhile, like I said, 50,000 more visas have been issued to terrorist nations just since 9-11, we don't know who is coming, where they are going, how to track them, or what their intentions are.

I don't see any real steps taken other than to insure the safety and protection of muslim terrorists and their supporters in this country via hate crimes legislation and terrorism laws. Those are da facts, not just my little opinion. All that is really being done is the government placing a false petina of action, to cover their inaction, on a situtation they seem to be happy to promote in order to keep those borders open. Logic stands alone, and mostly so do those that uphold it as a standard.

337 posted on 05/22/2002 7:23:48 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
I find your 'logic' that any asserts the concept of any open, democratic government making a nation of 270,000,000 + people 'safe from terrorism' to be in error. It seems that you will not accept anything short of a police state to acheive some pristine concept of 'security' and so, we part company.

I agree with the need for much tougher immigration laws and enforcement but you will have none of that.

President Bush seems to have to be held personally responsible for everything, as if he were some Castro-like dictator that actually possessed the power to decree draconian immigration and deportation laws and do things our constitution and public opinion, not to mention opposition politicians, will not allow.

We're not allowed to breathe a word about the possibility that some of those Japanese-Americans detained in camps during WWII might have had a few among them who would have done the Emperor's bidding had they had the chance to be free to do so. No. That's considered bad taste and racist talk, now. Yet you would have tens of thousands of Arabs rounded up and detained or deported on a regular basis? Well, surprise - so would I, Miss Pie, but that ain't gonna happen in this year of our Lord 2002, in PC America.

Even today the Arab interest groups and the liberal media whine about Arabs being treated 'unfairly', even when we foolishly refuse to profile the very same race of people who committed the 9/11 attacks. That's 'racist', 'unfair' and just 'mean', they cry, and many agree. Yet you expect Congress (half or more are liberals) to just immediately grant the AG and the FBI and CIA the right to round up illegal immigrants and ship them back and jail the rest? Really? John Ashcroft is villified here on FR for daring to impose some restrictions on our freedoms but yet, he's supposed to seal the borders and jail immigrants by the thousands? The liberals whined about the terrorist detainees in Cuba! Your demands for immigration action are valid but the expectations are unrealistic and blaming Bush for most of it is misplaced blame.

You dismiss anything the Bush people have accomplished as fluff and take the word of that paragon of virtue, Osma bin Laden when he tells you that the money-freezing hasn't hurt him a bit. You distrust our President but willingly accept what a chief terrorist claims? That's zealotry on stilts and I have to back away from that kind of skewed 'logic' you tout as pure and simple.

For the Nth time; I agree with the dire need for border security and immigration control, as well as getting as much security in place as possible, understanding that you can't put every Arab in jail or deport them all.
I also understand that no amount of 'security' will thwart a determined terrorist (or 20 of them) willing and able to die for Allah while taking out American lives in the process, a la Israel.

You're willful waving away what has been accomplished by the government is your choice of course but lacks credibility when looked at clearly. We're 'safer' than we were on September 10, 2001 but short of jailing every Arab and sealing off the Canadian and Mexican borders with tanks, it won't get a lot better than this for now.

Another deadly terrorist attack will radically change that - something you also constantly ignore - and we'll see immediate, tough action on immigration when fear drives Americans to demand it and they simply refuse to accept PC crap and the sometimes half-hearted measures that you decry.

Not until then will you get what you angrily demand and what is now impossible from the President and our government. Again I remind you that America is not a dictatorship, Bush is not a Caesar and without almost 100% public demand we'll not see the immigration and 'security' measures you want from Bush and Congress.

346 posted on 05/22/2002 10:19:57 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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