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I know that if I was making a decision in a rational state of mind that I would not. I do not think pain and emotion should be a factor in making the decision. Now it's true that under such extreem circumstance I could become irrational, but being irrational is not something I understand or relate too very well, and it is not a certainty that I would become irrational either.

LOL! You have no fricking idea of what it was like that day! I'd love to see just how cool and rational you'd be if an jumbo jet full of fuel crashed into the building where you work -- a few floors below you -- and the flames and smoke were so intense, as the fire was burning between 1000-2000 degrees and coming up fast on you.

It's obvious that you've never been in a life-threatening situation, let alone one of this magnitude. So please stop pretending that you know what you'd do. Nobody knows how they're going to react in a situation like this, but we just hope and pray that if it happens, we can make the right decisions and survive it.

To make a choice to jump while in a rational state of mind requires you to assume that either there is no God to save you (something I know is false), or that God has no intention of saving you. It may be true that it's your time to die, but it might not be and you never know if you don't try, so for me, to give up and choose to jump without being irrational, is a rejection of my faith that I could not do.

And why would God favor you over the 5000+ whom he did not save that morning? How arrogant. Even more arrogant than assuming that you'd be so calm and rational during that kind of crisis. It's painfully obvious that you've *never* been in any situation even remotely resembling what happened here on 9/11, so please stop trying to lord your self-perceived superiority over the rest of us mere mortals. Unless you're a trained rescue professional, I'd love to see just how rational you'd be in that kind of a situation.

I've been in two life threatening situations before, and one, where I was being crushed by a falling floor of a house, didn't give me anytime to be rational.Most of it is a blur, except for the intense initial pain, and I was fortunate to pass out from the pain or from hyperventalation.It happens so quickly that you react on instinct, and you do panic, trust me.All you do is hope that someone comes to rescue you.

Methinks "Grig" is either a Vulcan or a Stepford poster.
He ain't worth it darlin.

YOU always have been the cat's pajamas.

LOL! You have no fricking idea of what it was like that day!

Did I claim otherwise? I think not.

I'd love to see just how cool and rational you'd be if an jumbo jet full of fuel crashed into the building where you work -- a few floors below you -- and the flames and smoke were so intense, as the fire was burning between 1000-2000 degrees and coming up fast on you.

Funny, I wouldn't want to see anyone in a situation like that. And rational doesn't mean you are emotionaly uneffected, it just means you make your choices based on reason, not panic. Panic is not a required response, some people have faced horrific like threatening situations without panicing before and will again, and I hope if ever in such a situation I will not panic and become irrational.

It's obvious that you've never been in a life-threatening situation

You mean like the time someone tried to run me over on purpose, or the time some drugged out guy attacked me armed with a large screwdriver (the kind witht the flat blade), or the time a car went out of control and crashed into the gas pumps at the station I worked at when I was in high school? Don't pretend you know anything about me.

Nobody knows how they're going to react in a situation like this, but we just hope and pray that if it happens, we can make the right decisions and survive it.

I never denied the possibility, I just said that I can't see myself making the same decision they did. If you can see yourself doing it, you are mentaly partway out the window already.

And why would God favor you over the 5000+ whom he did not save that morning? How arrogant.

Actually, I think it quite arrogant of you to think you know better than God, or that you can tell ahead of time what his plan and purposes are.

God does not help those who do not help themselves. Having the faith to try is being hopefull, not arrogant. Assuming that God will step just because it's you IS arrogance, but I'm not saying that God will intervene, I'm saying that if you act you *might* survive, and as long as I am capable of trying, I will. Should just give up and die so I don't embarras others who don't try?

Even more arrogant than assuming that you'd be so calm and rational during that kind of crisis.

I said I can't see myself choosing to do what they did. That's not the same thing as assuming I would be calm.

If you mentaly prepare to fail at something. You will fail.

It's painfully obvious that you've *never* been in any situation even remotely resembling what happened here on 9/11.

It's painfully obvious to me that you don't understand that faith isn't a passive belife.

so please stop trying to lord your self-perceived superiority over the rest of us mere mortals.

Just where did I ever say I was better than anyone else? I only said I can't see myself reacting the same way they did.

Unless you're a trained rescue professional, I'd love to see just how rational you'd be in that kind of a situation.

Oh, so only trained professionals have ever been rational in the face of disaster. Riiiiiiiiiight.