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How Linux Saved Amazon
CNet.com ^ | October 30, 2001, 5:20 p.m. PT | Stephen Shankland, Margaret Kane, and Robert Lemos

Posted on 11/01/2001 4:09:34 AM PST by amigatec

Online retailer Amazon.com shaved millions of dollars from its technology costs last quarter by switching to the Linux operating system, a disclosure that could provide some guidance for other companies seeking to cut expenses in a stagnant economy.

In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the e-commerce giant said it was able to cut technology expenses by about 25 percent, from $71 million to $54 million.

The reduction was attributed primarily to Amazon's "migration to a Linux-based technology platform that utilizes a less-costly technology infrastructure, as well as general price reductions for data and telecommunication services due to market overcapacity," according to the filing.

In a related development, an Intel executive said Tuesday that the Napster file-swapping service and Linux inspired the company to overhaul some of its technology infrastructure.

Amazon's disclosure could provide hard data for Linux proponents who have long argued that the open-source software can save corporations money over the alternatives, such as Unix and Microsoft's various Windows products. A Microsoft representative, however, warned that short-term savings seen by Amazon could turn into a long-term increase in costs.

Linux, a 10-year-old clone of the Unix operating system and a competitor to Windows, burst onto the scene in the late 1990s and now is an established force in the computing industry even though many companies pushing it are faltering . A recent study found that Linux is more powerful than some versions of Unix, but Linux in businesses is used more often on lower-end servers than on the powerful machines at the heart of large companies. But because Linux is essentially a clone of Unix, it's a more natural candidate to replace Unix than the dissimilar Windows.

Linux, which is developed by numerous volunteer programmers and companies, has some major pricing advantages.

"We've recently...found that Linux--if you look at the overall cost of ownership including the hardware, software, staffing, and purchasing and retirement costs--ends up being significantly less expensive than Unix over a three-year period for things like Web serving," said IDC analyst Dan Kusnetzky.

Half the price tag
For 1,000 users tapping into a Linux server, the total cost is about a fifth to a half that of a Unix system, Kusnetzky said. The cost of administering a Linux system is about the same percentage of the overall cost for a Unix or Windows server, he added.

Cutting expenses is certainly important for Amazon right now. The company trimmed its losses by 30 percent in the third quarter, posting a net loss of $170 million. Amazon has pledged that it will be profitable on a pro forma basis by the fourth quarter, and with revenue inching up only $1 million from the year-ago quarter to $639 million, every little bit helps.

According to Internet research firm Netcraft , Amazon's Web pages are dished out by Linux servers running Red Hat's Stronghold Web server, a derivative of the open-source Apache project.

Amazon executives could not immediately be reached for comment.

Linux can cut costs in several ways. When a company first obtains the operating system, the software can be downloaded for free, or a single copy purchased from a company such as Red Hat or SuSE can be installed on as many computers as a company wants. Secondly, it comes bundled with other software for sending Web pages to people's browsers or running company e-mail.

Thirdly, in many cases companies don't have to pay extra licensing fees for the computers that connect to Linux servers. And finally, Linux is often used on inexpensive Intel computers, sometimes generic "white box" machines and sometimes older computers seeing a second life.

Linux has enjoyed strong penetration into the server market, accounting for 24 percent of server operating-system shipments in 1999 and 27 percent in 2000, Kusnetzky said. That's second to Windows, which went from 38 percent in 1999 to 42 percent in 2000.

But there are hidden costs to Linux, Microsoft argues. "I think a lot of customers are lured by the apparent low price of Linux," said Doug Miller, director of competitive strategy for Microsoft's Windows division. "They don't have a real issue with Linux, but it ends up costing them in the long run."

With Linux, customers "end up being in the operating systems business," managing software updates and security patches while making sure the multitude of software packages don't conflict with each other," Miller said. "That's the job of a software vendor like Microsoft."

While Red Hat offers some of those services, it's difficult to ensure that software packages updated frequently by hundreds of people around the globe work well together, Miller said.

Linux largesse
Amazon said in June that it was revamping its computer systems and switching to "commodity" computers running Linux. Executives said at the time that they expected technology costs as a portion of net sales would decrease by 20 percent this year.

While the company may have saved money going to Linux, there still was funding to go around. Two beneficiaries were Hewlett-Packard and Red Hat.

HP supplied Amazon's Linux servers, large numbers of thin, rack-mountable models with Intel chips, said Mike Balma, marketing director for HP's newly formed Linux Systems Operation. And Red Hat customized Linux for the servers.

HP has been working with Amazon since October 1999, Balma said, but the big contract win came in May 2000, when HP announced its systems would replace Unix servers from Sun Microsystems.

HP helped Amazon migrate its customized software from the earlier servers to the Linux servers that dish up Web pages as well as to higher-end HP Unix servers for the heavy-duty systems nearer the heart of the operation, Balma said. "They're basically an all-HP shop."

Red Hat spearheaded Amazon's switch over to Linux, said Billy Marshall, vice president of enterprise sales and marketing for the Durham, N.C., company.

"Amazon has been a customer of ours for over a year now," he said. "Each of the transactions that goes through their systems touch our technology. Now they are locked down for the holiday season. They are very happy with the output that they are getting."

With Linux systems cheaper than Unix systems, the current lean times offer a silver lining for the surviving Linux companies.

"I think things are very good for Linux--particularly in a down economy," Marshall said. "Companies are looking for alternatives to expensive proprietary systems that they were all too willing to shell out for in the go-go days."

On the desktop
Some companies are even putting Linux on the desktop to save money. Though Linux has a low penetration there--Linux accounted for only 1.5 percent of operating systems shipped for desktop use in 2000, compared with 92 percent for Windows, Kusnetzky said--some forces are aligning to increase its possibilities.

Among those forces: the coming version 6 of Sun Microsystems' StarOffice package of office software, which many believe will be a more capable product than the bulky current version and thus a more credible alternative to Microsoft's Office; burdensome Microsoft licensing fees during a time of economic austerity; and the overall price tag of Windows and Office.

"People are looking at Linux as a replacement for Windows," said Chad Robinson, an analyst at Robert Frances Group . "Not that people are switching en masse, but many corporations are exploring that area" chiefly for special-purpose desktops such as bank teller computers.

"The potential for cost savings there is huge," Robinson said.

In late September, independent consultant Rob Valliere published the results of a business study that convinced his small-business client to adopt Linux for a 24-person company. The bottom line: Switching the majority of computers to Linux would provide nearly the same functionality as an upgrade to Windows 2000 and save the company more than $10,000.

The study concluded that Linux applications could provide solid alternatives to nearly every Windows application, with the possible exception of the scheduling and e-mail integration of Microsoft Outlook.

In the study, Valliere found that licensing fees for 24 copies of Windows 2000 and Office 2000, along with a Windows 2000 server and necessary memory upgrades, would cost about $15,000. Installing Linux on the server and 20 of the computers--with the remaining four upgraded to Windows 2000--would cost slightly more than $5,000, including consulting and installation fees.

Cracking the whip
Another financial incentive to use Linux on the desktop is that Linux's open-source licensing makes it simpler for a company to make sure its computers are in compliance with license restrictions, as opposed to Microsoft's per-seat licensing plans that can result in costly and legally daunting audits.

"Staying in compliance with licenses is something a lot of companies are scared of right now. It's more difficult, and the ramifications of being out of compliance are becoming more and more onerous," Robinson said. "As of the last year or so, Microsoft has been going after companies where they've gotten tip-offs or had other suspicions."

With Windows XP and Office XP, Microsoft now has a better tool to enforce license compliance: product activation technology that locks versions of Windows and Office to a particular computer.

"We are a commercial software vendor. That's how we earn revenue," Miller responded. "Our goal is to be properly compensated by customers for our software."


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To: amigatec
Stick this in your pipe and smoke it Bush2000

And jam this up your piehold, Linux troll...

http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=23086
81 posted on 11/01/2001 8:20:27 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: JustAnAmerican
Get your panties unwadded.
82 posted on 11/01/2001 8:22:00 AM PST by That Poppins Woman
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To: Leroy S. Mort
One crucial fact these stories don't reveal, however, is that these Linux adoptions are replacing proprietary and expensive versions of UNIX, not Windows. And as both Amazon and Intel are quick to point out, neither company has even considered replacing Windows boxes with Linux.

Yes, that is true ... but the POINT is that althought Microsoft would like their software to be considered solid enough to run a company on, there are few that are stupid enough to try it. MS is always relegated to applications that are NOT mission critical, or have enough "backup" insurance to stand the reloads necessary to do so.

Linux, on the other hand, is going where MS wants to go ... in the mission-critical camp, as the "low cost" UNIX that it is. MS just can't cut it when it comes to reliability PERIOD.

83 posted on 11/01/2001 8:31:05 AM PST by AgThorn
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To: glockmeister40
Have you seen Linux with the KDE GUI and Office suite? I run Mac OS at home on a 3-computer network, and Linux with the KDE interface at my office, networked into a Unix network.

You can customize the KDE interface to make it look and feel like Windows or MacOS (or give it a distinctive appearnace). You get the stability and cost-savings of Linux, and MacOS-like ease of use all in one.

84 posted on 11/01/2001 8:37:21 AM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: stainlessbanner
During the last month, some 1,506 Microsoft-IIS sites have moved to Zeus, and 1,719 are now running Netscape-Enterprise. Another 131,417 sites which have moved from Microsoft-IIS, have moved to Apache.

The dotcom economy is dead, pal. What do I care if your grandmother's website runs Apache, Zeus, Netscape, or IIS?!?
85 posted on 11/01/2001 8:38:10 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=23086

You do know this link is a Pro Windows/MS link correct? Its always best to talk to the people in the field who have worked with both OS's and get an unbiased opinion that way. Admittedly I am Pro Linux, however I have not always been that way. It only happened after much frustration with MS, and their lack compassion for the end user. I make money servicing either type of system, and good money I might add, but if you talk to anyone who has used both OS's Linux wins hands down for lack of problems.

Monopolies in the computer industry only benefit the companies that are. MS is always pushing "must have" upgrades on everyone year after year, that have been disasters as far as reliability goes. win95 is still the most stable of all of MS's OS's for the desktop.98 still has many problems, ME is a disaster, ask anyone who uses it. And win2k will not even run a lot of pre-win2k programs reliably. And now we are being forced to upgrade to XP?

Yes competition is very good, try telling that to MS though. And no I am not anti-MS, just anti Monopoly.I also do not buy Intel, I buy AMD but thats another story

God Bless America

86 posted on 11/01/2001 8:40:23 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: B Knotts
I'm not following. Are the Windows boxes going to administrate themselves? Or, is Microsoft going to send over staffers to Amazon, 40 hours a week, to admin them?

Both systems require admin, of course, and at about the same level of staffing. With a linux system you may need additional folks to perform care and feeding of linux itself, or you may need a more skilled (and more expensive) staff that does system admin and linux maintenance.

As the guy pointed out, MS products spread costs for care and feeding of the OS over thousands of customers.

87 posted on 11/01/2001 8:44:10 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Bush2000
why are you so hung up on microsoft products? are you taking showers with bill gates? the survey results are not meant to be personal
88 posted on 11/01/2001 9:00:39 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: JustAnAmerican
You do know this link is a Pro Windows/MS link correct?

Who flippin' cares? Take the facts as you find them:
89 posted on 11/01/2001 9:26:15 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: stainlessbanner
why are you so hung up on microsoft products? are you taking showers with bill gates? the survey results are not meant to be personal

Why are you so hung up on Linux products? Are you taking showers with Linus Torvalds?
90 posted on 11/01/2001 9:27:02 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000; JustAnAmerican
So what good does a Linux ecommerce system do a defunct company?

Those Linux servers will continue to run after the company is long gone

91 posted on 11/01/2001 9:38:52 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Those Linux servers will continue to run after the company is long gone

So will your grandma's website. But who flippin' cares?!?
92 posted on 11/01/2001 10:04:14 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Ok, you win Bush2000. Grandma will switch to XP & IIS with Biztalk server with a SQL Server database. If she uses backoffice with asp and xml, excel 2002 with visual basic will add functionality (and a new office assistant!). The .net strategy will increase her online sales and realize substancial profits - much more than that stooopid Amazon that uses Linux. That's the Microsoft vision! /sacrcasm
93 posted on 11/01/2001 10:19:33 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: AgThorn
althought Microsoft would like their software to be considered solid enough to run a company on, there are few that are stupid enough to try it. MS is always relegated to applications that are NOT mission critical, or have enough "backup" insurance to stand the reloads necessary to do so.

Since MS owns 38% of the server market (and Linux 24%) I hardly see where your statement could be mathematically correct. Are 38% of server apps non-mission critical? If you think so, can you back up your contention with more than opinion? Or perhaps most Mission Critical apps are still running in COBOL on 20+ yr old IBM iron.....Certainly true in the retail industry where I came from.

94 posted on 11/01/2001 2:37:23 PM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Leroy S. Mort
I don't know the source of the server stat's you are quoting, not that I am saying they are not right, but I would like to see the source.

Also percentages of "servers" can be a tricky number. Informix used to use that trick for "# of installed DB licenses" if I recall.

Point being, and I'm sure you would agree, the robustness of the server (a better meter for looking at something being "mission critical" worthy) is better sourced by looking at number of transactions, MTBF, and a whole lot of other numbers rather than just "% of servers".

Anyway, the stat's on all this should be available somewhere, any guess's?

95 posted on 11/01/2001 2:54:32 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: AgThorn
don't know the source of the server stat's you are quoting, not that I am saying they are not right, but I would like to see the source.

Well, here's one source, and it appears my numbers are a bit dated. Microsoft increased its share of the server market from 38% to 41% last year. Both Microsoft and Linux gained share, at the expense of traditionally non-mission critical ready</ sarcasm> Unix and Novell.


96 posted on 11/01/2001 3:22:26 PM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Leroy S. Mort
You're correct: For all their crowing about harm to Microsoft, Linux poses more of a threat to Novell and the other *nixes than Microsoft.
97 posted on 11/01/2001 3:26:18 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
You're correct: For all their crowing about harm to Microsoft, Linux poses more of a threat to Novell and the other *nixes than Microsoft.

All true, but it basically blocks MS from ever getting "upstairs". Unless they get a serious reliable OS going, they will never get out of the desktop and webserver biz. And that is where they wanted to go ... they would like to sell server code, and the bigger the server, the bigger the license (Database's, webservers, etc.). But not for them ....

98 posted on 11/01/2001 3:59:20 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: Leroy S. Mort
I can't find any update, based on OS branding so your's may not be too dated.

I have access to IBM numbers but they are really less OS tracking than box tracking. For instance, I do believe that IBM moves more NT boxes than anyone else, but they count that as a server win against their box competitors and MS loves it ....

Wish I could offer some alternative stat's based on "MIPS" or something ... still looking.

Here's a newsclip to be read with your graphic in mind, stating that Linux passes Unix.

99 posted on 11/01/2001 4:44:07 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: Bush2000; stainlessbanner
Those Linux servers will continue to run after the company is long gone

So will your grandma's website. But who flippin' cares?!?

That's what I like about Freepers .... the dialogue is always so 'uplifting' and intelligent! < /sarcasm >

100 posted on 11/01/2001 4:46:15 PM PST by AgThorn
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