Posted on 10/31/2001 8:11:42 AM PST by AnalogReigns
I don't know where you get off with your insults. I'm not insulting those who are not Calvinist. The original Reformers, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Melanchthon, Cranmer, etc. were all, without exception, in agreement of what the Scriptures clearly teach about predestination. The word "Evangelical" itself was first used by followers of Luther--a committed predestinarian.
The first Protestant missionaries--going out when they were at clear risk of being literally burned--were all followers of John Calvin. Sharing the good news of Jesus has always been top priority for Calvinists.
As a proportion of their denominations, there are probably more evangelical Presbyterian (Calvinist) missionaries today than any other denomination. Wycliff Bible Translators, the largest independent missionary organization in the world, is filled with evangelical Calvinists.
Yes, I believe the tenets of Calvinism to be true, and found clearly in the Bible--but I'm not insisting that you believe them to be saved, nor am I deriding your denomination, whatever it may be--as you have derided mine.
Your insults don't reflect the love of Christ which you claim to defend by putting down those who honestly understand the Bible differently than you.
He was standing there in their midst..He was alive ,not dead when the Passover meal was celebrated.
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Jesus spoke to his disciples in symbols they understood...the bread....the Manna.....the blood...the sacrifices offered in the temple........The Shepherd an "unclean" individual in Jewish Law..also used as an OT example of the corrupt teachers and priests....the vine,the symbol of Israel,found over the door of the temple and on the coins
Eat my body.The Manna was a symbol of Me,He was saying..I sustained them in their wandering,I will give you eternal life He was the Blood about to be poured out as the sacrifice for their sins...He was the Blood of the Lamb on the altar......He called Himself living waters....like the water that flowed from the rock in the desert that was Christ..
He was showing Himself to a blind people . He was the Messiah written about in their sacred writings
We are to consume him.....we are to be filled with Him..not in a superstitious ritual,but in a daily communion with Him....."eat the scroll" (the word) take it into you "My word is life"
However, once there, we will know the truth about all kinds of things we were misled about before--and I firmly believe that what scripture teaches is basically what Calvin taught.
To say there are no non-Calvinists in heaven is just saying I believe it is true.
You of course would say there are no Calvinists in heaven, would you not???
I found the full quote on the Internet, from an interview Rev. Grahm did with McCall's magazine in 1978:
I am far more tolerant of other kinds of Christians than I once was. My contact with Catholic, Lutheran and other leaders--people far removed from my own Southern Baptist tradition--has helped me, hopefully, to move in the right direction. I've found that my beliefs are essentially the same as those of orthodox Roman Catholics . . . We only differ on some matters of later church tradition.
-Billy Graham
"I want you to know, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same supernatural food and all drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ."
"I speak as to sensible men; judge for yourselves what I say. The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?"-St. Pauls 1st letter to the Corinthians
Seems St. Paul is saying that the Jews ate and drank a supernatural food, and that food was Christ. It wasnt 'the word' it was a food, a food from heaven, a supernatural food.
(Happy All Saints day!)
Peace be with you.
This quote shows that the Jews had NO clue as to what Jesus was trying to say.. what He was advocating
IF it were not spiritual but physical would be against scripture.. do you not recall what scripture says about the drinking of blood?
God never changes nor does He contradict His own word.
Or maybe just constipated.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him sould not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16
If you are right, then John 3:16 is a lie.
Well, I am right. You have just proved it by posting the most memorized verse in the Bible, John 3:16. The key word that you are conveniently ignoring in that verse is the word should . The phrase "should not perish" is not the same as the phrase "will not perish."
God is clearly letting all people here know that just believing in Jesus once does not guarantee salvation.
Thank you for proving my point.
I am right, and of course John 3:16 is, was, and will always be true.
No...it's the Bible that sets that truth out. Baptists are merely repeating what the Word of God says.
In fact it says exactly the opposite.
Luke 8:10-15
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
YUP.
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."Egads, how did I get the NIV instead of the KJ21...At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven." They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, `I came down from heaven'?" "Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered.
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
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