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To: garybob
Don't the Baptist claim the "once saved, always saved" garbage?

No...it's the Bible that sets that truth out. Baptists are merely repeating what the Word of God says.


No where in the Bible does it say "once saved always saved." I'm sure Charles Stanley says this, but the Bible doesn't.

In fact it says exactly the opposite.

Luke 8:10-15
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

211 posted on 10/31/2001 9:19:02 PM PST by RickyJ
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To: RickyJ; garybob
You are misreading that verse, badly. And you must reconcile with these verses:
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven." They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, `I came down from heaven'?" "Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered.

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Egads, how did I get the NIV instead of the KJ21...
218 posted on 11/01/2001 5:21:38 AM PST by CCWoody
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