Posted on 10/31/2001 6:13:33 AM PST by FormerLib
You rule!
It's a very good thing that there is hope for all of us -- including you -- and His Name is Jesus.
We do not extend such rights to every cult that appears. Obviously, the homo agenda has religious-like aspects, but only those from the darkest side (usually seen when one acts outside of the teachings of a faith).
Homosexuality as a religion is nearly as fatal as following Jim Jones, with the exception that the Kool-Aid gave a quick end to it.
We want to be careful with the presuppositions of our "therapeutic society" here. While, without question, all of our experiences influence our judgment, it is VP Cheney's daughter's choice to engage in the perverted acts. Much like the drug user's prior use of cocaine can influence the nature and extent of the user's temptations and/or inclinations, homosexual temptations and/or inclinations are not themselves sins. It is the acts and choices which are the sins for which the actor is responsible.
So, while it is true that as parents we can greatly aid our children's development by avoiding unhealthy influences, once they reach adulthood they can't hide behind the excuses about what others did to them.
A particularly sad example is playing itself out in Northern California right now. 15-20 years ago a young boy was kidnapped and held for a considerable period of time by a homosexual pederast. The homosexual experiences to which that young boy was subjected -- all initially against his will -- are beyond our ability to comprehend.
Now, years later he is in the midst of a series of murder trials for various murders of young women. (He already has a federal life sentence in one and is facing a state death sentence in another.) There is no question that his early -- and initially unwilling -- homosexual experiences warped his view of life toward one of perversion, but he retains his responsibility for his acts nonetheless.
He might be tortured with his memories and homosexual experiences for the rest of his life -- the jury is still out on that, there is substantial evidence that active homesexuals can recover -- but his choices and acts in furtherance of his perversion are now -- sadly -- his own.
The same is true for the Vice-President's daughter. There may -- or may not -- have been some failing by the Vice President or his wife as a parent, but the responsibility for the current sin -- the homosexual acts themselves -- is that of the daughter, not the parent.
We want to be careful with the presuppositions of our "therapeutic society" here. While, without question, all of our experiences influence our judgment, it is VP Cheney's daughter's choice to engage in the perverted acts. Much like the drug user's prior use of cocaine can influence the nature and extent of the user's temptations and/or inclinations, homosexual temptations and/or inclinations are not themselves sins. It is the acts and choices which are the sins for which the actor is responsible.
So, while it is true that as parents we can greatly aid our children's development by avoiding unhealthy influences, once they reach adulthood they can't hide behind the excuses about what others did to them.
A particularly sad example is playing itself out in Northern California right now. 15-20 years ago a young boy was kidnapped and held for a considerable period of time by a homosexual pederast. The homosexual experiences to which that young boy was subjected -- all initially against his will -- are beyond our ability to comprehend.
Now, years later he is in the midst of a series of murder trials for various murders of young women. (He already has a federal life sentence in one and is facing a state death sentence in another.) There is no question that his early -- and initially unwilling -- homosexual experiences warped his view of life toward one of perversion, but he retains his responsibility for his acts nonetheless.
He might be tortured with his memories and homosexual experiences for the rest of his life -- the jury is still out on that, there is substantial evidence that active homesexuals can recover -- but his choices and acts in furtherance of his perversion are now -- sadly -- his own.
The same is true for the Vice-President's daughter. There may -- or may not -- have been some failing by the Vice President or his wife as a parent, but the responsibility for the current sin -- the homosexual acts themselves -- is that of the daughter, not the parent.
CC :)
*** Not unless they got pregnant. ***
Are you actually telling me that a man and his wife should not engage in sexual activity unless the express purpose is to have children???
God made women for man. Sex between the two genders is God's idea. It's wonderful thing.
In 1914, M. Hirschfeld reported on German males convicted of involvement in sodomy. The age distribution ranged from under 15 to over 50, with the median of 24 years. Since "over 50" was the last category, we cannot determine just how many, if any, attained the age of 65. But only 9 % were over 50.
In the late 1930s and 1940s, Kinsey and his investigators spent more than 12 years seeking out and interviewing homosexuals. Because Kinsey and his colleagues were regarded as sexual liberators, homosexuals were eager to volunteer for his study. There is no reason to believe that his sample was not representative of all age groups available. Yet fewer than 1% of his homosexuals, male as well as female, were over the age of 65.
The Mattachine Society, the earliest of the "gay rights" organizations, gathered together a representative group of homosexuals for Evelyn Hooker to study in her highly influential 1950s study. The oldest of the 30 subjects was 50, the next oldest was 44, and the median age was 33.
In the early 1960s, Berger attempted to draw a sampling of elderly homosexuals, but had to begin his scale at 40 years and only 34 of 112 were over the age of 59.
From 1969 through 1970, the Kinsey Institute surveyed homosexuals in San Francisco. Although they recruited respondents in eight different catagories, only 23% of male homosexuals and only 18% of lesbians were over the age of 45, despite the fact that the investigators tried for 25% from this age group. Their initial decision to draw only a quarter of their sampling from homosexuals over 45 indicates they already knew the problem existed, and they ended up omitting figures on age distribution from their report.
In 1977, the largest survey of homosexuals reported 0.2% of lesbians and 0.8% of homosexual males were age 65 or older.
The Spada Report: The Newest Survey of Gay Male Sexuality, in 1978, reported the median age was 30, with only 2.5% over age 65. J. Spada was openly homosexual and polled 1,022 male homosexuals by mail.
An openly lesbian M. Mendola, in 1979, polled 405 homosexuals by mail. The median age of those polled was 34, and only 10% were 50 or over. Source: The Mendola Report: A New Look at Gay Couples.
From the mid 1970s' to the early 1980s, interest in Gay Bowel Syndrome, sexually transmitted diseases, and hepatitis B generated a number of samples of the homosexual population.
- From 1977 through 1979, 102 homosexuals case histories were collected in Seattle and the oldest was 58.- In 1979, 101 homosexuals who belonged to a group restricted to those over 40 was reported, and only 21 were over age 65.
- Also in 1979, 5,324 homosexual visitors to Denver's STD clinic had a median age of 27, a mean age of 28.5 and the oldest was 67.
- In 1982, only one of 103 homosexuals examined in San Francisco was over the age of 65.
In 1994, an obituary study revealed that the median age of death for homosexual males was 42 and for lesbians was 49. Source: Cameron, Playfair, Wellum, " The Longevity of Homosexuals: Before and After the AIDS Epidemic, " Omega Journal of Death and Dying," 1994.
Pedro Zamora, 22, a well-known AIDS educator and a cast member of "The Real World" on MTV, died of complications from AIDS today at Mercy Hospital in Miami. Partly because he was among few young people speaking out about AIDS, partly because of his heart throb looks and easy manner, Zamora became one of the most sought-after speakers on the disease after he tested positive for HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, in 1989 at the age of 17. He took his prevention message into American living rooms as a young gay man with HIV on "The Real World." He would tell students that he got the virus through unprotected sex and that he would probably not live to reach 30. Before a television appearance in New York last August, Zamora fell ill with a neurological disorder, progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy, which causes rapid deterioration. He had been hospitalized since October 14th. Source: Mireya Navarro, "Life of 22 years ends, but not before many heard message on AIDS, The New York Times; November 12, 1994.
AIDS became the leading cause of death among men from 25 to 44 in 1992 (in the U.S.). More than 250,000 people have died from AIDS or AIDS-related causes. About 75% of cases have been reported in the 25-44 age group. AIDS is also the leading cause of death in men and women in 79 of 169 American cities with population greater than 100,000. In the northeastern United States, where the rate of infection is higher among intravenous drug users than it is among gay men, the incidence of AIDS continues to rise. Although the AIDS epidemic seems to have stabilized among gay men in some areas of the country, there is evidence of a future second wave in that group, Dr. Jaffe said. He cited recent studies in San Francisco, Denver and Chicago showing an incidence of 2 to 3 % a year for new infections in gay men, a high number. Source: Lawrence K. Altman, " AIDS is now the leading killer of Americans from 25 to 44," The New York Times; January 31, 1995.
Nick Mattsson, as a gay man in his late 20's, has never really known love or dating outside the shadow of AIDS and, though he knew few sick people, he associated being gay with getting AIDS and dying young. In San Francisco, two gay newspapers refused for a while to carry ads for HIV-negative groups, and in New York, there is much eye-rolling, if not outright hostility. "My lover was like: 'What are you going to talk about,'" said one participant whose partner is HIV-positive. "Long-term retirement plans? 401(K)'s?" Despite optimism over available treatments, there will be no cure anytime soon. And with evidence that infection rates are rising among young men, the focus can no longer be solely on people with HIV. There is only one way, the thinking goes, to prevent another generation of gay men from dying. Troy Masters, the publisher of LGNY, a biweekly lesbian and gay newspaper in New York, who is HIV-positive, said "It (is) cool to be HIV-positive and it shouldn't be." Some will live, and others will die long before their time, and that the worries of men who do not have HIV are valid. Some of the (gay) men (coming into clinics or support groups) came in because they had a drug or alcohol problem, others because they were having unsafe sex, others because they just needed to talk about their lives as gay men and could not afford therapy. Mattsson joined a group because he recognized that the sex he was having was unsafe and "out of control." Marc Davis, an equities analyst who is 29, joined (a group) largely because he was having an escalating problem with cocaine. Ben Stilp, 26, the communications director for the Lesbian and Gay Community Services Center, said he joined a group as a result of two strains in his life: a problem with drugs and, for the first time, meeting men who were infected. One, who became a good friend, was only 30. "This was going to be a battle for my life. And I would have to change some fundamental things about my life," said Stilp. Source: Ian Fisher, "To be young, gay, healthy...and alienated; New support Groups for the HIV-negative handle guilt, fear and isolation, The New York Times; July 14,1996
Life expectancy for a 20 year old gay or bisexual man is 8 to 20 years less than the average male. The authors estimate that " nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently age 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday." Source: Hogg. RS., Strathdee, SA., Craib, KJP., O'Shaughnessy, MV., Montainer, JSG., Schechter, MT., " Modeling the impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 26, No. 3, 1997, pp. 657-61.
In 1998, another study using four contemporary databases suggested that homosexual activity may be associated with a lifespan shortened by 20 to 30 years. Source: Cameron, P., Cameron, K., Playfair, WL., " Does Homosexual Activity Shorten Life? ", Psychological Reports, 1998, 83, pp. 847-66.
... (At) its point of origin is Arenas, the writer who, though vilified in Fedel Castro's Cuba, found international renown before dying of AIDS at 47 in New York in 1990... a library job enables Arenas to discover a world of books even as, sexually, he is discovering men... out of the prevailing sexual hypocristy, with (Cuban) soldiers engaging freely in homosexual encounters even as, officially, they must be seen to stamp them out... an amnesty granted in 1980 to homsexuals... allows Arenas to leave his homeland for the United States. He ends up in New York, the city of promise and hope and yet one for him of illness and death. Source: Matt Wolf (Associated Press), "Gay Cuban writer remembered in 'Before Night Falls,'" Between the Lines (a gay website), December 28, 2000.
Conclusion:
Study after study reveals that homosexuality, whether male or female, can take anywhere from 10, 20 to 30 years off of someone's lifespan. With all the attention on smoking, which the National Cancer Institute says takes anywhere from 7 to 10 years off someone's life, why not the same human outcry on homosexuality? Here's a behavior that's killing people 2 to 3 times the rate of smoking, yet nobody seems to care. In fact, we are encouraging and affirming individuals into the "gay" lifestyle. If you truly love someone, you would steer them away from self-destructive behaviors, rather than towards them, wouldn't you? Homosexuals need our tough love, not blind love, the kind of love that is going to love them no matter what they say and do. We must extend that helping hand and say " I think you're worth saving, let's work on it together."
OK. Now that you are in a better mood, go back and read my post #9, cuz it's funny.
Cheers, CC :)
From "Recommended Reading for Teenagers? A Closer Look at P-FLAG":
"Teenagers are encouraged to see religious traditionalists as mean-spirited and hypocritical, while at the same time, to see gay consciousness as "sacred."...
...Others go much further--glorifying sex with animals, witchcraft, feminist goddess worship, worship of sexual pleasure as a form of religion, promiscuity with hundreds of partners, bisexual orgies, and voyeurism...
...That pamphlet recommends that religious seekers read Gay Soul: Finding the Heart of Gay Spirit and Nature, a book which labels gay sex "sacred." In it, first-person stories are told of gay men delightedly flouting their vow of celibacy in seminaries; of a man reporting that he had a peak orgasmic experience during sex with God; and of sadomasochic torture being enjoyed by a psychotherapist as a mystical experience. Another writer in the anthology labeled as "sacred" the experience of incest between fathers and brothers. (Gay Soul was reviewed in the April 1997 Bulletin.)..."
Now, years later he is in the midst of a series of murder trials for various murders of young women. (He already has a federal life sentence in one and is facing a state death sentence in another.) There is no question that his early -- and initially unwilling -- homosexual experiences warped his view of life toward one of perversion, but he retains his responsibility for his acts nonetheless.
Actually, the abductee was Steven Stayner while the killer is his brother, Cary. Steven was killed in his early twenties in a motorcycle crash back in the 80's, if memory serves me correctly.
Sorry to ruin your fantasy dude... but I dig chicks.
GSA(P)
(They have a personal interest in this, don't you know...)
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