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The Towers Have Fallen - But We Missed the Message
timessquarechurch.org ^ | 9/16/01

Posted on 10/29/2001 7:54:47 AM PST by truthandlife

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To: OWK
I cannot believe the arrogance of some on this site, and that has got to be a sin in it self.

God will punish America because she tends to party a bit too hard, has gay marriages and single moms.

But the rest of us well we will be totally ignored.

The Balkans God cant be bothered to punish anyone not worthy of him.

Africa genocidel wars being carried out by bloodthirsty war lords, over mineral and gold and diamond rights, not worthy of Gods interest.

China, North Korea running some of the worst concentration camps this side of the 21st Century, God just says nothing to do with me.

No only America is worthy of punishment.

Tony

41 posted on 10/29/2001 8:39:23 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: OWK
And that message was what?

Straighten up and fly right, or I'll smash even more of your innocent children against the side of a skyscraper?

Yes, that is the message. And it's exactly true. God wasn't asleep on September 11. The tragedy happened with his permission. We should be grateful that God's mercy limited the casualties to less than five percent of those in the buildings, but we should not be complacent about his judgement.

For eight years, we tolerated the most evil man who has ever sat in the Oval Office, and our country gave him an approval rating of seventy percent in the midst of his greatest scandal. While we congratulated ourselves for flouting God's will and getting away with it, that same President degraded the CIA, the FBI, and the US military.

On the morning of September 11, the CIA did not warn us, the FBI did not prevent the terrorism, and our military did not even protect its own headquarters from destruction.

It's pretty cut and dried to me. We embraced an evil man as our leader, and the policies of that evil man led to the destruction on September 11.

If you don't think there's a logical correlation here, then let's elect Hillary Roddam Clinton as President, and see whether there will be any hell to pay for that.

42 posted on 10/29/2001 8:41:12 AM PST by 537 Votes
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To: truthandlife
THANK YOU!!

NOONE can say that we haven't been warned!!! It's how we react to the warnings. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and Mother Theresa ALL said it( Mother Theresa said NUCLEAR WAR wuld be our punishment...I think).......THIS is our punishment for ABORTIONS.....God IS giving us a chane to turn to him...what we do about that, is up to us.

43 posted on 10/29/2001 8:41:36 AM PST by Ann Archy
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To: alpowolf
Don't listen to falsehoodanddeath, dude.

Men chose to do this, and to do it in the name of a God I sure as heck don't recognize.

God gave us an infinitely free will. He also is infinitely merciful. Life is answering the essay question God lays out for us regarding these two.

45 posted on 10/29/2001 8:42:07 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: alpowolf
Thank you for your question? Alpowolf, I pray that we as a nation will repent from our wicked ways. I know you hate for me to use scripture but I cannot sum it up any better than II Chronicles 7:14, "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

As for people like yourself who are not a Christian, I pray that you will receive Jesus Christ as Your personal Savior and Lord. (I will be praying for you today). I was just like you at one time thought I had all figured out but had a true "emptiness" inside of me about life. Then a friend of mine shared with me how I could have a personal relationship with God. Let me know if would like to find out and I will post how you can know for sure that you are going to heaven and live forever. It is a very reasuring feeling when you know when you die (and there is a 100% chance you will someday) that you know where you will go.

46 posted on 10/29/2001 8:42:53 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
As an evangelical pastor I have been hearing various versions of this message from numerous sources over the past month and a half. However, I have some problems with the assumptions that these ideas are built on. I am open to hear a reasoned explanation of why my problems are unfounded and the assertion of these messangers is correct.

Problem number 1--These messangers make application to the United States of America prophecies that were given to Israel. For this to be so, the assumption has to be Israel=USA

Probelm number 2--I do agree that the establishment clause was not intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state, however the USA is a secular, pluralistic state with constitutional guarantees of the free exercise of religion. These messangers base their messages on the idea that the USA is christian nation. We are not. The USA does not equal the church. The USA does not equal the people of God. I can agree that the people of God living in the USA, that is believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, are ripe for God's judgement. But God would be unjust to rain his correcting judgement on people who have no relationship with Him.

Just some thoughts. I would love to hear your responses.

47 posted on 10/29/2001 8:44:01 AM PST by sonrise57
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To: 537 Votes
Uh-huh. You mind explaining why God's wrath is reserved for America, and not some places and folks that are far more deserving of it?
48 posted on 10/29/2001 8:44:40 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: truthandlife
Another Jesus Freak ! God also did not like the Yankees yesterday!
49 posted on 10/29/2001 8:45:07 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: 537 Votes
Straighten up and fly right, or I'll smash even more of your innocent children against the side of a skyscraper

Yes, that is the message. And it's exactly true.

You suffer from the same mental sickness that inspired Mohamed Atta and his merry band of zealots to perpetrate the crime to begin with.

50 posted on 10/29/2001 8:46:34 AM PST by OWK
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To: KJMorgan
Jesus Christ is God. I hope you explore the scriptures yourself to find out Jesus as "the way, the truth, and the life."

I know you said you are glad you are not a Christian but I pray that you do become one and know that "peace that transcends all understanding" and where you will go when you die someday.

51 posted on 10/29/2001 8:47:19 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: Poohbah
Thank you for post 45.
52 posted on 10/29/2001 8:47:50 AM PST by OWK
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To: truthandlife
It is a very reasuring feeling when you know when you die (and there is a 100% chance you will someday) that you know where you will go.

No doubt. Much like the reassuring feeling when you know 70 virgins will be waiting for you right after you smack that 757 into the tower.

Religious certainties are so comforting.

53 posted on 10/29/2001 8:48:22 AM PST by Ratatoskr
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To: Lazamataz
I make predictions every time I go to the track. Unfortunately, most of my predictions finish out of the money.
54 posted on 10/29/2001 8:50:23 AM PST by choirboy
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To: Lazamataz
I, too, predict stuff a few weeks after it happens.

They are the easiest predicitons to make...

55 posted on 10/29/2001 8:52:39 AM PST by Nate505
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To: sonrise57
I agree with you we do have to be careful about applying prophecies about Israel to the United States. Don't you agree we were founded as a Christian nation (and God has blessed us beyond any nation) and we now live in a post-Christian nation?

Don't you also agree that throughout God's Word that God judges nations as a whole?

By the way what denomination is your church?

56 posted on 10/29/2001 8:52:58 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
The universe exists upon universal laws.

Cause and effect comes to mind here.

57 posted on 10/29/2001 8:53:30 AM PST by Aerial
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To: Ratatoskr
Ratatoskr, since you seem like you know so much, have you ever read the Bible yourself so that you make your own judgement or are you basing your assumptions on what you have heard from other people?
58 posted on 10/29/2001 8:55:20 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
Sorry, I can't buy a word of this. OBL was NOT doing the Lord's work. Period...end of discussion.
59 posted on 10/29/2001 8:56:28 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: truthandlife
I have read the Bible, yes. Why?
60 posted on 10/29/2001 8:57:03 AM PST by Ratatoskr
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