Posted on 10/29/2001 7:54:47 AM PST by truthandlife
Double Ditto's. I agree with all that you said in your post.
If it helps you any, she has it as a reproduction oil painting. She bought it in a Bible Bookstore in Baltimore, in the late 70's or early 80's.
It seems to me that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson were trying to say something similar to this David Wilkerson message . . . but they chickened out when people started bashing them !!! So be it . . . they'll need to live with their own cowardice !!!
I, for one, am in complete agreement with David Wilkerson's wise assessment of America's enormous problems concerning our ever failing faith . . . and our continuing refusal to adhere to the Word of Almighty God !!!
Hopefully I will not need it, but all the same my double-edged sword is drawn and ready for application as Our Heavenly Father may direct !!! May God Blss America !!!
(memories of my younger days)
Just because God knows the outcome doesn't make them any less evil. What lies in someone's heart that commits these acts is what makes them evil. The motive behind murder is typically selfishness. The person thinks of themselves rather than any consequences their actions might have. If they do think of the consequences they then relish the pain and anguish of others. This is blatant evil.
A soldier, on the other hand, commits murder in self-defense of his country. He may not want to kill someone, but for the sake of his country and his principles he will do so. That is self-sacrifice. Giving of yourself is never evil.
And before you go there, Atta and his ilk are not considered soldiers in my book. They killed innocent people unnecessarily, supposedly to go meet their 17 virgins...very selfish.....
my 2 cents...
I never evaded the first thing. First you attribute to me things I never said (AND with your last post have just done the same thing again). Then you say you are "frightened" - a call to the other Laeodicians to come to your aid. Now you are saying I have "evaded" something, giving you reason to be "suspicious". WOW! What a ccomplete basket case you are. Making up and atributing quotes never written. Claiming frightfulness over these, then turning to requiring me to define something (again, an infinitismal part of my comments) and that you are suspicious. What may be your self worship has left you no access to your intellect, has it? Sad, really...
First, "deviance" is not mine to define in this case. Similar to the Supreme Court definition of pornography of "knowing it when I see it", you know it also on some deep hidden level that you have blocked from yourself. But even more than your opinion, is what God has spoken to on the subject. I know that this likely "frightens" you even more because this will not let you assign your judgement (as part of what seems to be your stand for self worship). I never assigned my views of "deviancy", why must you insist that I did?
I never said the first thing about G-d "causing" or "permitting" the attack. Where do you come up with this stuff? Again, your self worship and all empowering judgement will not let you even discuss the subject without going into these emotional crutches. Find a way to get beyond these things and then you may find the possibility of intellectual discourse. You certainly don't have it now. With all due respect, get a clue - then maybe we can have a discussion without resorting to your obstructionist, over-emotional modus operandi. (hint: don't begin attributing things that were never said, try rational intellect rather emotional grasping no matter what you are defending)
A soldier does not commit murder.... nor does anyone employing force in defense of rights.
Some of the defense mechanisms involved are real barriers to any honest discourse. They will lie, falsely attribute things said, use intense sarcasm, or whatever it takes to avoid themselves in any meaningful way.
And this of course is my point. The person responsible for the crime... the actor... is responsible for the evil. Many in this thread, wish to make God an actor in these events. They (not I) suggest that he would ordinarily have protected us from such evil, but now chooses NOT to act.
That makes God an actor in these events.
My point is not that God is evil. My point is that those whose understanding of the nature of a loving God is so limited and so corrupted by their own human failings that they make God an actor upon the stage of this horrific evil.... they.... they are the ones who cast God as evil.
I care not whether you are a Christian . . . that's your problem . . . and I care not whether you read Playboy . . . that's your choice . . . but I do indeed care about my own personal safety as well as the safety of my family !!!
Hence, if you were to physically attack me and mine, you can rest assured that my double-edged sword would fully and vigorously be defensively applied accordingly !!! Got it ???
It's a question without an answer, except to say "God knows all, is all, and is responsible for all." Some see this as fanciful. Others view it as frightening autocracy. And still others believe it's the only answer which enables us to sleep at night and send our children out the door.
Whether we agree on things or not, God is in control, now and forever.
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