Time for America to dominate the World

me | 10/28/01 | me

[clee1]

I encourage all responses to this post.

[AMMON-CENTRIST]

We are not Rome clee. This ain't Alexander the Great.

[EggsAckley]

You make some very good points, and are very brave to stand by them.
I hope you have your flameproof suit on, the "rude-dudes" are in the building.

[Restorer]

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

What do you do when "the people" believe that a form of government you think dangerous is "most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness?" Hitler came to power legally and democratically (sort of). Truly free elections would probably result in the election of Islamist governments in much of the Muslim world. Certainly the Islamists in Algeria a decade or so ago won the election overwhelmingly. The Iranian Revolution was tremendously popular with "the people."

I'm afraid your approach is based on the premise that other peoples all share our ideals. What about those who don't? Do we then conquer and attempt to impose our values on them? In Islamic countries this would necessitate something very close to religious persecution to be effective. Is this something we want to get into?

I don't disagree with your basic premise. I just don't think it is practical when much of the world's population doesn't just want the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

That is essentially a libertarian ideal. The vast majority of the world's population holds other ideals. So what do you do with them? Just kill them? That's a LOT of dead people.

[Arthur McGowan]

You'd love Murrary Rothbard's essay (I think it was Murray Rothbard): "Invade the World!"

[Uprise]

I think it is time for America, or rather "the Ideals of America" to dominate the planet Earth.

Abortion on demand (killing of the young); open floodgates of bloody imagery into the young psychic minds via television and hollywood; rampant establishment induced anomie; multicultural dislocation; deracination; demolition of common historical past in favor of mass consumerism. I wouldn't wish the ideals of America on the rest of the world.

[clee1]

Correct - we are not Rome. We are what Rome was before Caesar took over. Food for thought.....

[StoneColdGOP]

Empire time... heh heh heh!

[clee1]

Always in asbestos undies when posting on FR :)

[AMERIKA]

Do you always look at the positive side of everything? LOL!

[Free the USA]

I think you are right there is no way the UN will ever be able to help America protect itself or our interests. We can learn from the errors of the Roman Empire and the mistakes made during the Colonial age. By helping to eliminate many of the extremist’s governments that harbor terrorists and establish a worldwide system of free trade we can create a World based more on cooperation than on coercion. By encouraging or if necessary imposing Governments that recognize individual rights and the consent of the governed and then creating a system of interdependence based on free trade we can move into a new era in International relations.

[biffalobull]

Countries like China and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are not our "friends", they are merely "trading partners" or in some cases just politically convenient to have around or leave alone. We should immediately revoke all support and trade with governments that are not democracies or free market economies, and deport their citizens living here. Countries like China and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are not our "friends", they are merely "trading partners" or in some cases just politically convenient to have around or leave alone. I think Americans will be under constant attack from forces of evil unless we get with the program and eradicate these forces from the face of the earth. Terrorists, Leftists, non-constitutional monarchies, dictatorships, theocracies and oligarchies are all enemies to the American Way and should be eliminated by all the force we can muster. Diplomatic, economic, military and covert means should be used to destroy thes groups so that the world can finally live in peace and prosperity.

Say Pal, We couldn't get rid of Saddam Hussien. I'll bet we never bring OBL to justice.We didn't defeat Korea, or Viet Nam. I think you have your work cut out for you.

[sinkspur]

I wouldn't wish the ideals of America on the rest of the world.

Of course you wouldn't. One wonders how you can stand to stay here yourself.

Maybe you'd prefer a theocracy, as radical Islamists do?

[Mr. Jeeves]

LOL = Laugh Out Loud.

[newwahoo]

"I wouldn't wish the ideals of America on the rest of the world."

You're free to leave, and I'd drive you to the airport if I didn't think you'd stink up my car.

[clee1]

Hitler came to power legally and democratically

Yep, but he just used the democratic process to subvert the authority of the people. As soon as he declared he was "dur Furer" he should have been taken out by German or American covert actions.

Truly free elections would probably result in the election of Islamist governments in much of the Muslim world. Certainly the Islamists in Algeria a decade or so ago won the election overwhelmingly. The Iranian Revolution was tremendously popular with "the people."

If freely elected, democratic, free market, I could care less how other countries govern themselves. If they bring war to us, they should be exterminated.

...other peoples all share our ideals. What about those who don't? Do we then conquer and attempt to impose our values on them? In Islamic countries this would necessitate something very close to religious persecution to be effective. Is this something we want to get into?

Absolutely. I don't care what a person's religion is. Accept the fact that freedom requires you to tolerate other views and to live with your neighbors in peace or you pay the consequences.

I don't disagree with your basic premise. I just don't think it is practical when much of the world's population doesn't just want the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

People that have never known freedom will fight and die to keep it, once they have it.

The vast majority of the world's population holds other ideals. So what do you do with them? Just kill them? That's a LOT of dead people.

Not necessarily. I want the world to be free and democratic. Those countries electing governments other than that should be left to go it alone. If they make war on us, they will be distroyed by us.

[RonWebb]

"Terrorists, Leftists, non-constitutional monarchies, dictatorships, theocracies and oligarchies are all enemies to the American Way and should be eliminated by all the force we can muster."

This is EXACTLY why they hate us. Pure arrogance. If the American Way is so great, then let the rest of the world adopt it on their own. Don't force your ideals on others.

[clee1]

Abortion on demand (killing of the young); open floodgates of bloody imagery into the young psychic minds via television and hollywood; rampant establishment induced anomie; multicultural dislocation; deracination; demolition of common historical past in favor of mass consumerism. I wouldn't wish the ideals of America on the rest of the world.

These are NOT the "ideals" of America. These are some of the unfortunate manifestations or results of our freedoms. Hey I don't like abortion or multiculturalism either!