Posted on 10/27/2001 9:33:56 AM PDT by freedomnews
H.R.3162
Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001
Courage can become a habit but you will never overcome your fear. I never have and hope I never do because my fear is what keeps me alert to the loss of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
That is right! I hope you dont mind but I wrote it down to use later.
This should have been an act of political suicide for any of our political leadership that supported this abomination. If we the people do not make it so...then we deserve what we are going to get.
I have read many of the posts here and I can understand the points made on both sides ..
This whole issue it a little tricky IMO .. even though War has not "officially" declared .. the facts are . we are at War .. it's plain and simple there .. we were attack and we are now defending ourselves ..
I don't trust the Senate and don't look to them for leadership .. but I will say .. President Bush is not anti-american .. that is pushing it a bit .. and for those who say they won't vote for Bush in 2004 .. oh please .. who ya going to vote for Queen Hillary???
Ok .. I'm off to read this information now .. so for those who feel the need to slam me .. go for it if it makes you feel better ..
TTFN
Whomever promises to repeal this travesty of a law.
It may be the first time in over 30 years that I don't vote Republican.
Look I haven't read the whole thing yet .. and what I have heard so far .. yes it's walking a very thin line with this law ..
But if you or anyone else thinks for one minute I'm going to vote for a Comminista Rat Liberal .. you are outta of your mind ..
Ok .. I'm back to reading .. TTFN
Actually, Tightsqueeze's right to privacy does exceed your right to life, unless of course TS or his property is somehow involved in the unlawful taking or injury to your life. On the other hand, TS may determine to give up some privacy to save your life, but that would be his or her decision to do so, not the governments.
Through 55 posts, that statement is the most lucid I have yet seen. Good luck convincing those whose lack of appreciation of their own rights of its validity...JFK
I love the label "tin-foil hat" that how some conservatives "the defenders of freedom and the constitution" came up with to brand anyone with a dissenting view on this one. It's obvious some people already had thier tongues hanging out in full readiness for the recent onslaught of boots.
You'll get temporary boost in safety. But what might be the unintended consequences? The thought of which you are so eagerly willing to evade.
I definitely DO NOT LOVE THE GOVERNMENT. My country, I love. The ideas that have made it great, I value. The powermongering chumps-in-charge, no love lost in any event.
I shall don my tin-foil hat in four years whilst we watch them conjure up some other convenient excuse, some necessity, to rationalize their extending of the power grab.
Have Americans become so naive as to trust their politicians? Do they suppose that the constitution, or our freedoms are safe in the clutches of career politicians who are usually, and at best borderline personalities, and at worst sociopaths?
In our time what decent, intelligent and honorable man would even attempt to get elected? He'd have to relegate himself to the level of scumbag just to get through the first week of campaigning. Does an honest man have a chance in the US political arena today? I think not.
Ask yourself, why a person would spend millions to attain an office that pays 80-150 grand?
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." --Patrick Henry"Government is too big and too important to be left to the politicians." --Claire Huchet Bishop
"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments." --William Edgar Borah
"Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of it. The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it." -- Nadia Boulanger (1887-1979)
"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." -- Louis Dembitz Brandeis (1856-1941)
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." -- Gerald R. Ford (b. 1913)
"The biggest lesson I learned from Vietnam is not to trust [our own] government statements. I had no idea until then that you could not rely on [them]." -- James William Fulbright (b. 1905), US Senator
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), 3rd US President
"The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who Is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost invariably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And if he is not romantic personally, he is apt to spread discontent among those who are." -- Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956), American editor, critic, founder "American Mercury"
"What is that in your hand, citizen!?"
"Uh, I just got paid for finishing up a..."
"Is that MONEY in your hand!?"
"Well, yeah. Like I was saying, I had a contract to remodel a..."
"That much money for one job!? Do you think I am stupid, citizen!? Hand it over, NOW! I know a terrorist when I see one!!"
"No, no, no, I just got paid, I have to pay my bills and feed my..."
Scuffle ensues, the man's money is taken.
"Now, citizen, I suggest you fill out this paperwork so that if you aren't a terrorist, we can have a hearing to determine your claim is true. Until that time, we will keep the money!"
"How am I supposed to disprove a negative? Thats my money, and you dont have any right to take it!!"
"Since the United States Government believes you to be involved in illegal activity, we are seizing this money until you can prove that you are not."
"Well, when is my hearing?
"Thats your problem..."
A little extreme maybe, but we have learned a lot from the War On Drugs. Or have we???
...JFK
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