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Let's Restore Medina to the Jews
The Dhimmi (Jews and Christians under Islam)
| 1980 (French) 1985 (Translation to English)
| Bat Ye'or
Posted on 10/27/2001 6:33:03 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: beecharmer
From "The Life of Muhammad"
The Emigrants had no regular source of income and so Muhammad decided to raid passing Meccan caravans; this was an old Arab custom. Moreover, by plundering the Meccans, he would be doing God's work.
In the month of Rajab AH 2 (January 624) a party of seven to twelve Muslims was sent out to observe a caravan. Instead they attacked it, killing one Meccan, capturing two and one escaping. This was the first life that Islam took in combat but certainly not the last. Muhammad was upset because Rajab was a month holy to Mecca and he refused to take his twenty percent share of the booty. However Gabriel revealed a sura to him wherein Allah approved, so Muhammad accepted his share.
From "Two Faces of Islam"
If the Sunnah are criticized, Muslim apologists try to explain that it all happened 1400 years ago. For example, razzia (raids on caravans -Muhammad organized 82 of these, leading 26 himself) were an old Arabian custom from the days of Jahiliyya. This may have been so but Muhammad is supposed to be, not a man of the seventh century, but the "seal" (last) of the prophets, perfect for all time to come.
Human Rights Abuses in Islamic Countries
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posted on
10/27/2001 4:35:08 PM PDT
by
watchin
To: beecharmer
After only six months in this new city,
Mohammed sent out groups of raiders to attack Meccan trading caravans. His attacks succeeded only when he scheduled them during the Meccan sacred month, which shocked his supporters and detractors alike.
Islam: A Brief History
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posted on
10/27/2001 4:38:58 PM PDT
by
watchin
To: beecharmer
In Medina an organized Muslim community gradually came into existence under Muhammad's leadership.
Attacks on caravans from Mecca led to war with the Meccans.
BELIEVE Religious Information Source
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posted on
10/27/2001 4:43:15 PM PDT
by
watchin
To: beecharmer
While at Medina, Mohammed attracted a steady flow of new recruits and converts' As a result, the community of the faithful was soon hard pressed to find a livelihood in the narrow' confines of the Medina oasis.
An obvious solution was to raid caravans owned by the Meccans. The first raids were successful, others soon followed until resistance in Mecca crumbled' Mohammed returned in triumph and then went on to unite all of Arabia under the banner of Islam, partly by war, but mainly by diplomacy and negotiation.
Islam on the warpath
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posted on
10/27/2001 4:49:32 PM PDT
by
watchin
To: beecharmer
... and in the name of fairness, the other view:
A refutation of the false allegations that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) led raids on Meccan caravans.
This is in reference to Ventaka Swamy's letter of April 10th, in India Post, titled "Here are the References". It is becoming obvious that he is trying desperately to meet my challenge "...to provide one single incident with documented evidence that the Prophet himself led raids on merchants caravan". He himself has mentioned in his letter that "the sources of Islam are two revelations Wahy, which is the Koran and customs which is Sunnah". In spite of mentioning this, he goes on to cite a book: The Life of Muhammad, translated and edited by A. Guillaume. Perhaps he is not aware of the fact that this book doesn't fall in either of the two sources of Islam he has. His serious mistake is inexcusable, and brings down his credibility.
The only arguments given here are:
1. Muhammed may have allowed the thievery, but he didn't participate directly, and
2. Islam recognizes no history outside of it's internally produced propaganda. Both are ludicrous.
click for source
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posted on
10/27/2001 5:00:41 PM PDT
by
watchin
To: beecharmer
Maybe you should read something not authored by a illiterate named Abdul. Seriously, there are lots of speculations about Jesus (hindu guru, homosexual, married to Mary Magdalene, etc.), but they can be easily discounted because they are both recent inventions and vastly outnumbered by serious scholars.
With Muhammed, quite the opposite is true. In spite of the recent attempts at revisionism (due to the embarrassing fact that a thieving prophet contradicts the qu'ran), the accounts of his caravan raiding days are pervasive and ancient. I can't imagine how you could have missed them, outside of willing ignorance.
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posted on
10/27/2001 5:10:50 PM PDT
by
watchin
To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
The group that had a man go into a discotheque in Isreal, stand next to a bunch of teenage GIRLS and detonate the bomb around his waist (waste). Was he so threatened by the Isreali women that he had to do that?
You tell me, if you can.
To: dennisw; Phil V.
How's this?
Mecca, Saudi Arabia
Dennis, you can go to: images.google.com and type in Mecca, Saudi Arabia in Google Search (or, probably anything else you're interested in). BTW, take a look at page 3 - looks like they got a Dome in S.A.
_____________________
Hey, Phil, look - more education (from images.google.com):
Did you know?
Only Muslims are permitted to enter Mecca.
So much for "tolerance."
To: Who is George Salt?
There is something you should remember about all this hate you are spreading - what goes around comes around. I wasn't spreading hate. I was spreading history.
Do you find anything inaccurate or misleading in what I posted?
ML/NJ
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posted on
10/27/2001 7:49:30 PM PDT
by
ml/nj
To: ken21
there's nothing to be gained by preaching hate. I wasn't preaching hate. I was teaching history.
If you find it to be inaccurate or incorrect, I would like to hear about it (with reasonable academic references).
ML/NJ
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posted on
10/27/2001 8:03:05 PM PDT
by
ml/nj
To: dennisw
Islam spread rapidly over a large area because of its appeal to the poor. Like Christianity, it had an equalizing message I just happened to sit in on a Western Civ class last week at the University of Virginia where the topic was the Rise of Islam. The professor pointed out (the obvious) that it took 300 years from the time of Jesus for Christianity to become a dominant religion, but that it only took 100 years from the time of Muhammad for Islam to become a dominant religion. (but stating the obvious is good because it makes one think)
I think if you discover the reason that Islam spread so much faster than Christianity, you will discover that its appeal to the poor was primarily that they would be allowed to continue breathing if they converted.
ML/NJ
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posted on
10/27/2001 8:13:24 PM PDT
by
ml/nj
To: Patria One
Isn't it interesting that the Bible says that about Ishmael You're very selective about what you post from the Bible, aren't you. For example, it wasn't only Sarah who wanted Ishmael out of the house, was it? And what did the Bible say about Ishmael's hand being against every man?
And do you remember what it says about the Amalekites?
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posted on
10/27/2001 8:57:57 PM PDT
by
BenF
To: ml/nj; dennisw
I think if you discover the reason that Islam spread so much faster than Christianity, you will discover that its appeal to the poor was primarily that they would be allowed to continue breathing if they converted. And Islam today is so "tolerant" of other faiths, isn't it? One need look around the globe to see how Muslim majorities treat those of other faiths. You can also look at countries with significant Muslim minorities to see how well they "get along" with members of the majority faith.
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posted on
10/27/2001 9:01:27 PM PDT
by
BenF
To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
Which group is now actively doing the job? The Palestinians.
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posted on
10/27/2001 9:02:15 PM PDT
by
BenF
To: Manny Festo
Save it for the tourists. Islam is not a religion of peace, Have you read the Koran? I highly doubt it. Wherever Islam has political power it denies non believers even the right to worship. There are no Catholic Churches or temples or any house of worship other than that of Islam in Saudi Arabia. In fact- in most Islamic countires there is no religious pluralism. Spare me the Bush White House rhetoric. Bush knows the truth. Islam is a religion that cannot co-exist with others. There are Mosques in Rome- in Jeruslem- in Tel Aviv- in Berlin- in New York. But you can count the number of Christian churches and Jewish temples on one hand in the lands controlled by Islam. A religion of peace? Sure suck up that crap our government sells us. They say that so as not to topple the corrupt government s that rule over these infidels. Islam has never been about peace. It is about war, rape, and subjugation. Witness Sudan, Witness Nigeria, Witness Kosovo (where we helped these devils against fellow Christians). NO- you need to wake up. "Moderate" Islam barely exists. This is a religious war- and the sooner we realize that the better. Oh- and let's declare war- and not simply use the word for the media. I don't like undeclared wars- for they never seem end.
To: American Preservative
great image you got there. I know about google images but did not get good results for *Mecca*. You must have searched *dome of the rock*
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posted on
10/28/2001 3:52:17 AM PST
by
dennisw
To: American Preservative
FORGET what I said about dome of the rock
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posted on
10/28/2001 3:57:29 AM PST
by
dennisw
To: MoJo2001
Literal translation of "Islam" is submission. As in submission to Allah for the Islamics. And submission to the Islamics by Christians, Jews, Hindus and others.
You can even find Islamic website named>
http://submission.org/
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posted on
10/28/2001 4:02:55 AM PST
by
dennisw
To: American Preservative
google images.... nice hits for kaaba
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posted on
10/28/2001 4:09:41 AM PST
by
dennisw
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