Posted on 10/24/2001 1:47:40 PM PDT by CommiesOut
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Israeli state terror has killed more than 800 this yearDublin, Ireland, 21 October, 2001
Rihan Ward, a 12-year-old schoolgirl from the town of Jenin, became the latest victim of Israel's policy of state terrorism last Thursday. She was sitting in her classroom, listening to her teacher, Kamar Irshaid, when a tank shell fired by the Israeli army crashed through the window and ripped her chest apart. Her killer, from the Middle East's most sophisticated fighting force, may not feel a sense of shame. He may even have posed for pictures beside the shattered remains of the classroom, subsequently loading up his 'trophy images' on the websites that have recently been developed for such display by the more gung-ho sections of the Israeli military and far right. He will scarcely be disciplined: for the Israeli army is under the control of a commander called General Shaul Mofaz, who last week was forced to apologise to what he terms "the political echelon" for effectively exceeding his brief. That "political echelon" is controlled by Ariel Sharon, who has been the architect of state terror on and off over a period of 20 years but whose policies regarding the West Bank and Gaza do not appear to be tough enough for his military commander. Ward will become a footnote in Palestinian history. She joins 800 other Palestinian civilians who have perished in this last year of Intifada. Five more Palestinians perished with her on the same day. The leader of the Palestinian people, Yasser Arafat, was feted in London and Dublin last week, just days before the schoolgirl met her end. But the political goodwill being shown to Arafat's Palestinian Authority by the West, and the need to involve Islamic states in the war on Afhghanistan, offer no practical protection to Palestinian citizens like Rihan Ward whose lives may be ended at will by Sharon, a man who earned his spurs in the 1982 slaughter at the refugee camps in Lebanon. Sharon was not bothered about civilian casualties last week, following the assassination of former minister Rehavam Ze'evi by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). He was more worried about keeping his coalition in one piece. Ze'evi was part of the National Unity party and had resigned from cabinet last Monday, in protest against the withdrawal of the Israeli army from Hebron. He was targeted by the PFLP which had lost one of its senior leaders, Abu Ali Mustafa, in August when, with customary delicacy, one of Sharon's helicopter gunships fired a missile through his office window, vaporising him as he sat working at his desk. Israeli government spokesmen crowed in the international media about "taking out" the PFLP chief, just as they have boasted of the other "targeted killings" sponsored by Sharon and his regime: this is a euphemism for a policy of state murder. But Israel is perhaps learning the hard way that you cannot crush an entire people by brute military force. It may also come to realise that the fact the Jewish people were treated in the most appalling way by Christians and Arabs in the past does not provide moral legitimacy to the anti-Palestinian slaughter that is daily promoted by Israel. But there is no short-term sign that Israel's political elite are commencing an examination of their collective conscience. Ze'evi's funeral was marked not just by calls for acts of revenge to be taken against his killers but by a series of bizarre suggestions that Yasser Arafat was directly responsible for his death. Arafat is at this stage no more than a Palestinian Uncle Tom, an old-fashioned Stalinist with an overblown international reputation. He may find it incomprehensible that his name was being linked to the death of Ze'evi at precisely the same time as his PA soldiers were rounding up the political leadership of the PFLP at Israel's behest. Or that the Knesset speaker Avraham Burg should tell Arafat that the blood of Ze'evi "fills your hands" at the same time as Arafat's PA was banning the PFLP from operating as a political force. The West may anticipate some breaking out of reason among the leaders of Israel's coalition government in the context of the current difficult international diplomatic climate. There has been impressive talk in Washington and London about the idea of a real Palestinian state, and there has even been some sham rhetorical jousting between Washington and the Sharon administration. But western leaders should not hold their breath. This is Israel, where commonsense and reason are as rare as hens' teeth. There is no effective political opposition to Sharon's policy of terror. Some of the violent rhetoric that marked Ze'evi's funeral emanated from men associated with Israel's Labour Party. History teaches us in any case that there is an unbroken ideological continuity linking Sharon to previous leaders, to Barak and Netanyahu and Shamir and Rabin and Begin. The debate within Israel has never been about the human rights of Palestinians. Rather it has been about the extent to which Palesinians should be permitted by Israel to farm land or to own assets. It has also been about the efficacy or otherwise of bulldzozing Palestinian houses and incinerating Palestinian trees. About the lust for land that has characterised all wars, including those wars in which Jewish people have endured the greatest suffering. The western media underwrites Israel's policy of terror every day. To be sure, it reports the atrocities perpetrated by Sharon's armies and supportive militias. But western media coverage of the conflict is based on the assumption that Israeli democracy is politically superior to any other form of democracy in the region, and on the assumption that there is a moral obligation to support Israel, regardless of the people it chooses for high office. Any attempt to criticise the state terrorism of Israel brings instant cries of "anti-Semitism". The reality is that Israel's mistreatment of Palestine and the Palestinians is itself anti-Semitic. Zionism has always regarded Palestinians as being of a lesser, inferior species. Until that attitude is altered, and altered fundamentally, there will be no political solution to Israel's woes. In the meantime, Ireland might consider using whatever influence it has at the UN and elsewhere to stop civilised western countries from providing money and technology to a government and army that are pursuing morally unacceptable policies based on theories of racial superiorty that should have perished with the defeat of fascism. |
So why did they get kicked out of Jordan?
What's Black September all about?
Israeli "occupation"?
Wrong again.
The U.S. as the winner, chose not to be.
The losers don't get a choice.
Only an intellectual or a Muslim would believe it.
Excellent point Publius, you're right it is too stupid to believe...
)=^D...I sure do like messin' with Newbie Trolls' Heads...MUD
Hey MUD,
Not sure exactly what we're dealing with here. Damien is taking this stuff just a little too seriously. I think he may be more then just a "Newbie." What do you think, my Freeper Friend? Am I getting paranoid?
We were infiltrated on a NY list by a man from Pakistan who was sending all this propaganda on our e-mail list....finally a webmaster disclosed his identity. What a mess!
Your Pal,
KLT
Actually, it's some serious issues we're dealing with, so I tend to respect our FRiend's taking it serious...it's the nastiness that I could do without.
"I think he may be more then just a "Newbie." What do you think, my Freeper Friend? Am I getting paranoid?"
Probably.
"We were infiltrated on a NY list by a man from Pakistan who was sending all this propaganda on our e-mail list....finally a webmaster disclosed his identity. What a mess!"
No connection, IMHO.
FReegards...MUD
Habla ingles, DemonChild.
"Why mud boy, it sounds like you are mad at me..."
LOL...boy, you overestimate yerself.
"Wink wink backatcha...are you flirtin' with me?!"
"Ha, ha, you know, that I know, you know, I know what the coquetry on your part is about that line in Red."
Actually, all I know is that I know.
"Son of a gun mud boy, I know you are really, really upset, but did you have to sabotage FR just to shut down discordant discourse."
LOL...now yer overestimating me.
MUD
"Why are these folks particularly emboldened? Am I missing something, what events of 09/11/2001 occurred specifically to the FR Israel first Haganah brigade that did not happen to other Americans?"
The pro-Israel contingent has been after Americans for years to feel the Israelis' pain as they have been subjected to years and years of Islamic Terrorism...since 9/11, a little "See I Told You So" is only to be expected.
"What I see that particularly emboldens the, "self-appointed, self-annointed" Israel first Haganah brigade is to use that seminal event to inextricably link America to Israel’s special interests."
As the only democratic nation in the MidEast, Israel's future is inextricably-linked to America's as long as we continue to remain dependent on MidEast crude oil.
"Really, gee, maybe I just really mis-understood this little miss goody two shoes snip of hers as she replied to another freeper at #169:
Snip...Look I admire your spirit to fight, but you have to be very careful. People get insulted and most of us are very sensitive politically savy people who are well educated some of us way above the medium economic level. Many of us are military (real heroes by the way), law enforcement, firefighters, political employees and politicians...we don't appreciate being called German names even in jest. So, just try to take it easy, like I said before, not everyone is as nice as me."
I'm sorry, but I missed the Vestal Virgin reference in what seemed like a pretty reasonable and well-thought-out response...is that the best you can do in the way of evidence supporting your accusation?
"There now, by golly that ought to put any upstart Newbie in their place around here."
But not you, dadgummit, 'cuz yer a one-man Truth Squad that's gonna set all of us long-time FReepers straight on just how this World works, ain't ya, boy?!
"And yes I agree, she and her friends do make very clear their parochial pro-Israel bias, much to the detriment of vital US interests."
And how--exactly--are pro-Israel interests "...to the detriment of vital US interests," pray tell?!
"So you took my Comments here:Admittedly, I have deliberately and outrageously went after some here acting as an "AGENT PROVOCATEUR," and I was amazed beyond expectations at how successful that ploy was. Once confronted, agitated, and aroused, it was child’s play to expose them for what they are, racists and religious bigots."
So you agree with me that you were acting a part to make a point (Limbaugh calls it, "Being absurd to demonstrate absurdity")...all I was saying in calling you on that tactic was that it seemed you were perhaps going overboard in challenging the anti-Anti-Semites. Matter of fact, I still feel you are crossing the line into Absurdity when you arrogantly assume that you have "exposed" anyone on this thread as racists and religious bigots, unless, of course, you are referring to your self-exposure.
"Now here is where a dictionary would come to have great meaning in your limited vocabulary and grammatically challenged life...."
Oooo-oooo, yer bein' mean to me, aren't you?! LOL!!
"Boomer said: Israel belongs to the Jews, period! This is the will and the promise of God, and the Palestinians can pound sand for all I care! They are a sub-race of murdering NAZI's who corrupt their children and their religion for the purpose of conquering and murder!"
See, I do not agree with Boomer's assessment...Palestinians ARE NOT "a sub-race of murdering NAZI's"; however, they MOST CERTAINLY DO "corrupt their children and their religion for the purpose of" attaining POWER!!"
"Now I know I should not confront or question these people for to do so would? Oh yeah, as you said, something to the effect, I was attempting to quell honest debate by slanderously labeling another's viewpoints of others."
You won't find me clickin' on the "Abuse" button...do as you like. I just believe your hateful comments are undermining your credibility on this Forum...and as long as you remain and continue spewing the hateful comments, you are similarly undermining the points--some valid, BTW--you are attempting to make.
"Now mud boy, there was a little thing called WW-2 that occurred to stop some people who held sub-race views, and I believe we are at war this very day with some strange people who killed thousands of Americans on 09/11/2001 because it was” the will of their God “and “ their God’s promise “ of their reward for doing so. Perhaps you and your friends are willing to tolerate this?"
Please provide evidence to support your outlandish accusation, sir.
"All the while you flit around at even the slightest critique of Israel, screaming anti-Semite, Nazi, racist, Hitler lover or any other ....., fill in the blanks for daring to question or expose your rank hypocrisy. For any discerning person who questions, it throws your entire pseudo victimization status into disarray and dissolution.
Apparently you have me mixed up with someone else because that whole last paragraph was completely Devoid of Reality.
"You still ignored the question, what nations in the world support the Israelis in their resistance to a Palestinian state?"
Now who's talking out of both sides of their mouth, dude? You just said 61% of Israelis support the establishment of a Palestinian State...and Barak basically offered them exactly that, which, BTW, Arafat and his Extremist Buddies rejected.
"My perception is simple, I have said it before, and I will do so here: When positions of power representing both Israel and the Palestine people are filled with old boar reactionaries, there is no chance of peace, they simply cannot do, what is impossible for them to do. New proactive leaders, who have a understanding of realpolitik, capable of seizing the moment, is the only hope of adverting disaster on a massive scale."
You'll have a hard time convincing me that Barak was an old boar reactionary, although I've already agreed with you that the whole KlintonPeaceProcess was a joke...however, after Arafat rejected Barak's offer, I believe many Americans' and Israelis' eyes were opened wide and they saw the PLO for what it is, a Power-hungry group of thugs possessing an irrational hatred of another group of folks whose primary offense is that of possessing a different religious viewpoint than their own.
"You may discount the EU, I do not. The EU is aborning with fits of false starts and lurches, but they are going to be full born soon. Once in unison, with common goals and one voice, the UE will be a top power in the world, second to none, and yes, that means us, America."
LOL...the EU is a joke and your willingness to bow to their alleged future superiority exposes much about you and your aims on this Forum. You can take your anti-Americanism and stick it up your loud-mouthed buttocks, PUNK!!
"You cannot stop a thing whose time has come, and that time for the EU is now. Europe is simply not going to see its vital economical and security interests, internally and abroad become destabilized and threatened with a massive continental terrorist campaign. The bloodiest wars in history have been fought for a hell of a lot less."
LOL...yer dreamin', BOY!! The European Union couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag (and this is not meant as a slam at the individual nations that are to make up the EU)...and your willingness--and theirs, by your asserttion--to bow down to Terrorists is a large part of what is so pitiable about you and the rest of the Left in America. Yer a Leftist Socialist Troll, not a real American...enjoy yer stay on FR, but don't waste yer time--or mine--trying to convince me of the legitimacy of your mindless rantings.
ROFLMAO...Whatta MAROOOOOON!!
MUD
Yep, my FRiend, you nailed it...DemonBoy's a run-of-the-mill Hate-America-First Leftist who fantasizes about an all-powerful European Union saving the World from America.
I shan't waste any more of my time on him.
FReegards...MUD
"Mr." Arafat? Hmmmmm. Hey, I've been there before and after 1993, there is a tremendous difference my Friend....I'm sorry you can't see the forest from the trees. It is no longer safe to go on pilgrimages to Nazareth. You may rationalize any way you like.
ROFLMAO...Whatta MAROOOOOON!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!I almost broke a bloodvessel reading this MUD....I agree, while Mr. Damien has every right to spew his evil deceptions, the nastiness has to stop!
What is this EU garbage! They are nothing but a bunch of spineless windbags!
Go get him MUD...I think I'm right, he has yet to dispute my opinion of his Muslim identity. Should make you think, my Lyricist Hero, should make you think.
With Patriotic Gratitude
FreeGuards
Karen
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