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To: from occupied ga
Sometimes in America, we walk that fine line of protecting our Constitutional rights and protecting the personal lives of ourselves and our loved ones through the necessity for a certain level of security. This is one of those times that we need to assure the security of American's, in order to achieve the overall goals of the Bush Doctrine in the war on international terrorism.

Let's remember, if your dead, your rights mean absolutely nothing. And let's leave ole Ben Franklin out of this one. Okay?!

15 posted on 10/23/2001 10:09:43 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
And let's leave ole Ben Franklin out of this one. Okay?!

Why? Do you think he was wrong? I happen to think that those who give up freedom to Washington for the promise of security really will have neither. Washington will take the freedom. I think that we are both in agreement on this. Unfortunately, it will not provide security. The federal government in all of its money grubbing and restrict this ban that glory failed completely to protect its citizens Was this failure because we don't live in a fascist police state like the former Deutsches Democratic Republic? Not likely. It's because what the government always does is strip its citizens of property and render them defenseless (the better to strip them of their property). The so-called increased security for passenger flights is nothing more than harrassment. Arming the pilots (which would work) is not being considered. Instead the military will kill everyone on a suspect aircraft. Your government in action. Render you defenseless and prey to terrorists, and then kill you if the terrorists victimize you

This is one of those times that we need to assure the security of American's, in order to achieve the overall goals of the Bush Doctrine in the war on international terrorism.

What no one has stated is exactly how taking a few more giant steps on the road to totalitarianism is going to make anyone safer. The Russians lived in a totalitarian state after WWI and Stalin kill 40,000,000 of them. The Jews in Europe during WWII lived under a totalitarian state, and Hitler killed 7,000,000. Pol Pot ran a totalitarian state in Cambodia and 2,000,000 died

Let's remember, if your dead, your rights mean absolutely nothing. And let's leave ole Ben Franklin out of this one. Okay?!

17 posted on 10/23/2001 10:32:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: Reagan Man
Let's remember, if your dead, your rights mean absolutely nothing.

So everyone in the military who has ever died to protect our rights is an idiot?
21 posted on 10/23/2001 10:46:29 AM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: Reagan Man
Let's leave Ben franklin out of it

Sorry. No can do. It is absolutely unbelievable that we are being asked to support legislation voted on that hadn't even been read by those voting. How can they support something they haven't even had the common decency to have read?

My liberty means much more to me than some temporary illusion of "safety". I have no faith that these measures being taken will be used judiciously, because Fedgov and it's many minions never do.

The really unfortunate thing is that there is nothing we can do to regain our freedom folx. It is gone and will not return. Freedom must be jealously guarded or it will be lost. We live in a nation of sheep who bleat and nod their heads in unison whenever Fedgov or its minions tell us &quit;it is for your own good".

I hate this bovine excrement more than I can say. It burns me up because I love what our country stands for and the incredible sacrifices that have been made throughout history to make us the light of the world was apparently for naught. The Constitution was supposed to help shield us from opressive government, but it can't do so if the people are ignorant.

22 posted on 10/23/2001 10:47:30 AM PDT by zeugma
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