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To: Reagan Man
And let's leave ole Ben Franklin out of this one. Okay?!

Why? Do you think he was wrong? I happen to think that those who give up freedom to Washington for the promise of security really will have neither. Washington will take the freedom. I think that we are both in agreement on this. Unfortunately, it will not provide security. The federal government in all of its money grubbing and restrict this ban that glory failed completely to protect its citizens Was this failure because we don't live in a fascist police state like the former Deutsches Democratic Republic? Not likely. It's because what the government always does is strip its citizens of property and render them defenseless (the better to strip them of their property). The so-called increased security for passenger flights is nothing more than harrassment. Arming the pilots (which would work) is not being considered. Instead the military will kill everyone on a suspect aircraft. Your government in action. Render you defenseless and prey to terrorists, and then kill you if the terrorists victimize you

This is one of those times that we need to assure the security of American's, in order to achieve the overall goals of the Bush Doctrine in the war on international terrorism.

What no one has stated is exactly how taking a few more giant steps on the road to totalitarianism is going to make anyone safer. The Russians lived in a totalitarian state after WWI and Stalin kill 40,000,000 of them. The Jews in Europe during WWII lived under a totalitarian state, and Hitler killed 7,000,000. Pol Pot ran a totalitarian state in Cambodia and 2,000,000 died

Let's remember, if your dead, your rights mean absolutely nothing. And let's leave ole Ben Franklin out of this one. Okay?!

17 posted on 10/23/2001 10:32:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga
ARRGH hit post instead of preview

Let's remember, if your dead, your rights mean absolutely nothing.

This is irrelevant. If you are alive and in a death camp your rights don't mean anything either. If you are alive and a slave you don't have much in the way of rights either. There are those who would die for freedom, and still see the biggest threat to freedom as our own government, not some other terrorist organization

19 posted on 10/23/2001 10:37:12 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga
You and I probably agree more then we disagree. At least I hope so.

We both are for viligence. However, where I have seem to be apprehensive and scepticial about America's national gov't, you seem to indicate a significant level of fear and indignation. If I'm reading you wrong, please correct me. I'm not attempting to be argumentative with you, I just don't like over reaction to events, especially when all the facts aren't known. I don't think that mindset works very well in a free society as ours.

I don't believe America is on the road to becoming a totalitarian state. I don't believe comparing America's future with the likes of Stalin, Hitler and Pol-Pot serves any good purpose, except may be to arouse the malcontents and extremists in our nation.

And if ole Ben Franklin was alive today, I believe his outlook on things would be much different. While many things remain th esame, 225 years can still have a way of altering beliefs and changing opinions of people.

25 posted on 10/23/2001 10:55:12 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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