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To: OWK
Yeah, just like Christmas was a pagan holiday that we Christians just turned into the birthday of Christ.

If we also transferred some pagan deity over and said that was now our "Jesus" we wouldn't be honoring Jesus, but some other pagan idol (which would probably be a demonic entity)

The Biblical God Allah
is knowable cannot be known
is personal is far off
is revealed in three persons is not the Father, Son nor Holy Spirit
is love has no regard for man
is active in man's life and history does not interact with man
is a spirit, has personality, loves, thinks, is omnipotent... etc. is not definable, we are only told what Allah is not
is a God of grace grace is not found in Allah, only judgment

7 posted on 10/23/2001 9:18:33 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
Neat table; thanks! It'd be interesting to see supporting citations in the Koran, but I don't know whether it displays unity of teaching as the Bible does.

Dan

9 posted on 10/23/2001 9:21:10 AM PDT by BibChr
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To: spycatcher
And had you been born in a squat mud-brick hut in the hills of Afghanistan, you would now be attempting to convince me that the Christians all worship a false God, and that Allah is the way.

You were born here, so you believe what you believe. They were born there, so they believe what they believe. But had your places of birth been reversed, you'd be every bit as vehement a defender of Allah.

And so it goes.

11 posted on 10/23/2001 9:23:38 AM PDT by OWK
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To: spycatcher
The Biblical God ... is revealed in three persons

Well, you just revealed your ignorance.

Scripture plainly shows that "God", as used in the Bible, is really a family name, the Hebrew word "Eloim", being a uni-plural word indicating "one, with many members."

... just as the family name "Smith" indicates one, with many members.

Scripture also plainly shows that the "God" family presently includes only two members... The Father, and the son, Christ.

Nowhere does the scripture indicate that God's Spirit is a separate being, any more than Satan's Spirit is a separate being.

The Biblical God... is a God of grace, vs Allah, only judgment.

1 Sam 2:10 The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.

Ps 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

2 Tim 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

1 Pet 4:5 ...Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

And along with judgement, comes destruction...

Deut 31:3 The LORD thy God, he will go over before thee, and he will destroy these nations from before thee, and thou shalt possess them: and Joshua, he shall go over before thee, as the LORD hath said.

Ps 28:5 Because they regard not the works of the LORD, nor the operation of his hands, he shall destroy them, and not build them up.

Ps 145:20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

Prov 15:25 The LORD will destroy the house of the proud: but he will establish the border of the widow.

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Jer 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

Ezek 6:3 And say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys; Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places.

Ezek 25:7 Behold, therefore I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and will deliver thee for a spoil to the heathen; and I will cut thee off from the people, and I will cause thee to perish out of the countries: I will destroy thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.

Hag 2:21-22 Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth; And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother.

Zech 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Sounds like a lot of judgement and destruction to me!

Bleeding-heart "Christians" often miss the real meaning of "Grace." They use "grace" as an end-run around having to obey God.

However, scripture plainly shows that they will not get away with that attitude forever.

God is reserving those who reufse to obey Him for the day of judgement where they will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Their end is the same as folks like Bin Laden.

God gives grace to those who humble themselves, repent of their wicked ways, accept forgiveness of their past sins made possible by Christ, and submit to God's rulership in their lives.

... but God also reveals Himself as a consuming fire of destruction to those who reject Him and His Law, and attempt to misuse the sacrifice of Christ as a license to disobey.

Contrary to what you alledge, God reveals Himself as a God of tremendous and destructive judgement to those who refuse to obey Him.

56 posted on 10/23/2001 11:19:15 AM PDT by gpk9
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To: spycatcher
Thanks for the table. It explains a lot.
84 posted on 10/23/2001 12:15:46 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: spycatcher
I always thought Allah was just another name for Satan. Anyhow that's good enough for me. Now let's nuke the crap out of them.
111 posted on 10/23/2001 1:37:53 PM PDT by Imperial Warrior
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To: spycatcher
In Islam when they say that God cannot be known, it means that God cannot be domesticated by man. He is the Creator, not man.
178 posted on 10/23/2001 4:26:34 PM PDT by Patria One
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To: spycatcher
The Biblical god you have described sounds like the God Jesus described not the Old Testement god. The Old Testement God was wrathful, spiteful and bloodthirsty. Please feel free to correct me.
392 posted on 11/09/2003 3:11:46 PM PST by dljordan
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