Posted on 10/21/2001 10:33:10 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
Just wanted to leave you all some info on Vaccinia vaccination. Basically, last I heard the small pox immunization was not being produced in the USA. There was a report today that DOD has ordered supplies from UK. Frankly, I don't know how the UK could be producing the vaccine. The only known stockpiles of the virus (after World Health Organization/UN announced eradication of the virus from Earth) were in the US and USSR. If a UK company is making vaccine, what is in the vaccine?
The old vaccine was produced using techniques that would not be licensed or approved today. So, the stockpile doesn't meet current specs. Also, my info was that the stockpile is about 20 years old.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm not about to use 20-year-old vaccine in my practice without knowing that the vaccine was needed. I certainly would not use it in our children, unless I was convinced that a threat exists.
I do have the scar from the smallpox vaccine on my arm. My doctor gave it to me in the late 1970's. So, I feel a certain measure of comfort from that knowledge. However, it is important to note that the immunologic effect of the vaccine wanes (decreases) over the years.
Talking-heads on CNN et al have been stating that those who received the vaccine may not be immune. Well, I would like to point out to those @%^*!s that the original small pox vaccine was a LIVE VIRUS. That's why your skin ended up with welts, sores, and then scarred for life. The Japanese used the Oka Chicken Pox Vaccine for 20 years before the US gov't finally got it released to our nation. Have the Japanese seen any waning immunity from Oka Varicella Zoster Vaccine (the chickenpox vaccine)? NO! Yet, there are still idiot talking-heads who are PAID to show up on some news program and to spout incorrect info that the OkaVZV vaccine has concerns about waning immunity. ACCORDING TO WHOM?
The FDA can find an answer to the question of waning smallpox immunity real fast. THOMPSON NEEDS TO TELL CDC TO COMMISSION A FOLLOW-UP STUDY ON THE OLD SMALLPOX IMMUNIZATION. Have CDC draw serum samples on our generation of kids (who got the vaccine when we were young and are now consenting adults). Confirm when the patient received the vaccine and check the sample for any antibodies to smallpox. If you find IgG antibodies (assuming we know how to locate such antibodies, which I can not vouch for), then you will know if boosters are needed in previously immunized individuals.
Vaccinia Vaccine
Vaccinia (smallpox) vaccine, a licensed product, is a preparation of infectious vaccinia virus whose origin and manipulation is FDA approved. The vaccinia is grown in the skin of a vaccinated bovine calf (2). In 1982, the only active licensed producer of vaccinia vaccine in the United States, Wyeth Laboratories, discontinued production for general use, and, in 1983, distribution to the civilian population was discontinued. Smallpox vaccination has not been required for international travelers since January 1982, and International Certificates of Vaccination no longer include smallpox vaccination.
CDC provides vaccinia vaccine for laboratory workers directly involved with smallpox or closely related orthopox viruses (e.g., monkeypox and vaccinia). Due to clinical trials involving recombinant vaccinia virus vaccines, health-care workers (e.g., physicians and nurses) may now be exposed to vaccinia and recombinant vaccinia viruses and should be considered for vaccinia vaccination (6).
There is no evidence that smallpox vaccination has any therapeutic value in the treatment or prevention of recurrent herpes simplex infection, warts, oral thrush, or any other diseases (6). Requests for smallpox vaccine for these unapproved uses cannot be granted.
You would think so wouldn't you. Not the case. Better take him to the ER and hope they have tetanus available. It is in very short supply.
Or just take a sugar pill. At least your placebo will have some nutritious value.
That will give you smallpox. You will infect yourselves. The vacine is a Weakened Virus the full strength virus just gives you smallpox.
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Dear sir,
You will have to do better than that. That is NOT a correct interpretation of my statements. Go find the post you challenge and please reread it.
I get the impression they are preparing us for the next event.
that's only true if you receive ONE vaccination. There are many Americans who (for various reasons) received multiple doses. The evidence suggests that lifelong immunity occurs for some exposed to multiple doses. However, no research study ever identified the exact level of immunoglobulins required to create immunity to certain exposure levels of the virus. So, we can't correlate the antibody levels in your blood to protection.
There is simply no discrepancy in my posting. Don Joe is making things up and he needs to READ the comments (instead of injecting his own spin). You remind me of KlintonKrats who seek to perp their lies on otherwise innocent people. You need to rethink your approach at belittling and character attack. Thanks.
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My recollection is that the smallpox vaccine was NOT based on a mutation of the small pox virus. It was instead based upon a related virus (cox pox) (but was not simply mutated in the early 1900's. The cow pox virus existed for a long-time prior.
Vaccinia does not cause any serious complication in humans, but at the same time confers immunity to small pox because of the smilarity of the antibodies between the two.
Well, I think the way most physicians and scientists would think of this is different. The issue is NOT the similarity of the antibodies. The issue IS the similarity in the protein coating of both the vaccine virus and the small pox wild-type virus.
So, while THE REAL smalpox virus may be found only in the US and the USSR, vaccinia is still available for the production of the smallpox vaccine.
Correct! However, with molecular technologies you could theoretically alter the proteinaceous coating of the virus in order to defeat the vaccine's utility. I think that is probably out of the capability of the Taliban.
I question your authenticity on my own. You have been here less than 2 weeks, implying you are a medical Doctor. If see discrepancies in your comments, I have the responsibility to question you. You may be seeking to perp your lies on otherwise innocent people.
I can't speak for Don Joe, he is doing a fine job on his own. However I think it is fairly obvious that both of us, along with some others on this thread suspect that you are not what you are presenting yourself to be. It would not be the first time a new Freeper tried to bluff his way through, as anyone who has been here for long can attest.
There is simply no discrepancy in my posting.
Oh yes there is! See my comment post #165.
If you could please explain:
How it is that you are too young to recognize measles, yet happen to have small pox vaccine hanging around?
How is it that you were unable to discover who sits on the board of directors for Wyeth Laboratories?
If you are a medical Doctor, what "professional reason" could there possibly be to not just come out and say it in the open?
If you could refrain from your personal attacks and answer the questions it would be appreciated. I am going to bed, as it is late. I will read your reply tomorrow.
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