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Airborne Parchutist Badge
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Posted on 10/20/2001 2:22:30 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN

The first Parachute badge was designed by Captain William P. Yarborough of the 501st Parachute Battalion during World War II . A memorandum of record written by Captain Yarborough on April 22, 1941, tells the story of the birth of the parachute badge.


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With todays actions, I thought some of you might want to know a little about the jump wings all of these brave men wear.

The link will provide all the information you may want about jump wings.

Basic Parachutist: Awarded to the individual who has satisfactorily completed the prescribed proficiency tests while assigned or attached to an airborne unit or the Airborne Department of the Infantry School; or participated in at least one combat parachute jump

I find it interesting that you can earn your jump wings without going through jump school, all it takes is one combat jump.

A combat jump would be from about 500 feet (no reserve) you will hit within seconds of leaving the plane, anything goes wrong, there no time to do anything about it.

Sorry to say I earned mine the old fashioned way, at jump school.

1 posted on 10/20/2001 2:22:30 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CIB-173RDABN
We darn well should give the badge to anyone who makes a jump into combat, ESPECIALLY if they don't have any training!

Now THERE is a brave soldier!

2 posted on 10/20/2001 2:24:30 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: CIB-173RDABN
About 15 years ago I worked as recreation director at a large Summer resort. There was a girl on the staff who was about as pretty as they get and so sweet that at first I thought she was a phony.

Well there were a couple of guys who were taking advantage of her sweet nature. (I normally don't think guys take advantage of girls any more than girls do boys but in this case they did).

During the Summer her Father visited. I am not going to say which branch of the service he was with because some people would probably figure out who he was, but he was a member of one of the most elite military units, and I also noted he wore a parachute emblem on his uniform. He was also a chaplain. Since I was his daughter's supervisor, we talked quite a bit. Despite the fact that he was about as personable and pleasant as one could imagine, he also looked like he could chew nails if he wanted to.

The amusing thing about this story is that he had a talk with the guys who were dating his daughter. I have no idea what he told them but the poor girl could not get a single boy to take her out the rest of the Summer.

3 posted on 10/20/2001 2:52:46 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: xm177e2
I work with a guy who had one day's training, in country, and spent his tour making free fall, formation jumps, usually at night.
I kept up my proficiency and jump pay after jump school.
We have the same headgear and badges and neither of us has ever felt obligated to call the other a cheat.
4 posted on 10/20/2001 2:55:12 PM PDT by norton
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To: CIB-173RDABN
I ain't no sorry "leg"............ :)
5 posted on 10/20/2001 2:55:45 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: xm177e2
Actually I agree. Jump school was (and still may be) three weeks long when I did it in 1965. Looking back on it I believe they could have taught the basics in one or two days, but the real purpose was to "weed" out those that did not have what it takes to stick it out when the going got tough.

They made quiting very easy. Just stop and say you did not want to go on, and it was over. As hard as they made jump school, it was not as hard as quiting would be.

To have your first Parachute jump a combat jump would take some courage.

Not quite the same thing, but the first time I was ever in an airplane was for my first jump.

With helicopters there were many saying the days of the paratroopers were over, I was very happy to see here in 2001 a video of Paratroopers jumping into combat. There were able to put over 100 combat infantryman on the ground in less than a minute. Makes you proud.

6 posted on 10/20/2001 2:58:16 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: norton
neither of us has ever felt obligated to call the other a cheat.

Were you responding to me? I hope you didn't misunderstand me, I wasn't saying anyone was cheating, or that anyones badges were worth more or less. I was just making a joke.

7 posted on 10/20/2001 3:17:09 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: RightOnline
There is a great book by Donald R. Burgett, "Currahee - We Stand Alone". He was a member of the 501st Parachute Regiment - 101st Airborne. He has recently written a second book about the 101st's involvement in The Battle of The Bulge. Both of the books speak very well of the airborne in World War II.

I ain't no dirty leg either!

Ironmike Regards,

TS

8 posted on 10/21/2001 2:50:27 PM PDT by The Shrew
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To: CIB-173RDABN
I remember the "Quitting Tree" at Bragg. Of the 250-300 males who started my class, about 60 finished.

I understand it's now (Benning) like a Sky-Diving School, rather than a physical challenge--so the ladies can ease through and wear the once unique badge awarded only to those earned it.

Similar to the black Berets story...

9 posted on 10/21/2001 3:13:05 PM PDT by XGMan
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To: hobbb
Jumping a planeful of men without training is impossible.

I was making a joke ;-)

11 posted on 10/21/2001 3:18:35 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: XGMan
"I understand it's now (Benning) like a Sky-Diving School, rather than a physical challenge--so the ladies can ease through and wear the once unique badge awarded only to those earned it.

Similar to the black Berets story..."

I'm very sorry to hear that.

If you see an AF officer wearing the badge, know that he is an AF Academy grad; one of the few ways to earn that little prize. I went through Benning the summer after my doolie year there; '74. I'd hate to think that Airborne has been "dumbed down" to the level you describe. I'm not doubting it; I just fear you're right.

13 posted on 10/21/2001 5:29:48 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: hobbb
I don't think anyone would think of having a planeload of untrained men making a combat jump. However, there may have been a need for someone with special skills who was not jump quailfied. I do not know of any such case, but I would think it would be a little unfair if some one was to make their first jump as a combat jump, and not be allowed to wear the wings.

I was assigned to Troop B 17th Cav (Scout) with the 101st before going to Viet Nam where I was reassigned as an Infantryman (with no training) and assigned to 1st/503rd Infantry 173rd Abn 65-66.

Airborne

14 posted on 10/21/2001 6:50:08 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: XGMan
I can remember how difficult it was for me to complete jump school, I just wouldn't quit. I was wondering how all of these women were able to pass it. Times have certainly changed.

Also, getting your wings were just the first part, when you were assigned to your first unit you were still a "cherry" until you proved yourself.

You do not become a "band of brothers" just because you are in the same outfit. Those that are already there want to know if they can trust you with their live. Once they know that, then you become a part of them.

15 posted on 10/21/2001 6:57:21 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CIB-173RDABN
The first time I took a plane ride was also in a C-130 with a chute on. No matter what else I do in life, standing on the drop zone and getting my blood wings was a memory I'll never forget.

Airborne! All the way and then some! Co. C 2/504 (Abn)(Inf)

16 posted on 10/21/2001 7:11:45 PM PDT by airborne
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"I was wondering how all of these women were able to pass it. Times have certainly changed."

I went through the Benning School for Boys in '88, and am in no way, shape or form, an advocate of the feminization of the military...Indeed, that played a big part in my resignation. Having said that, '88 was the last year of the "gig-pit," when an airborne student passed out in the front leaning rest and suffocated in the granola. I don't know what it's been like since then, but at that time, women had the option of doing PT seperate from the guys. One young female LT told SGT Airborne she'd run with the guys...The black-hats mocked and joked her...unbeknownst to them, she'd ran in the '84 Olympics. At the end of the run, she was dogging the various Sgt Airbornes, asking them who wanted, "a little bit more?"

17 posted on 10/21/2001 7:20:10 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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Hi Joe,

I will be the first to admit that there are some individual females that could out perform some individual males. However, in general men are bigger and stronger, and in any head to head competition would beat out any woman.

Are there some females that would do well in combat, perhaps, but that still doesn't make it right. I do not believe there is any place for woman in combat.

Perhaps it just shows my age.

:-)

18 posted on 10/22/2001 5:00:09 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Joe 6-pack
Hi Joe,

I will be the first to admit that there are some individual females that could out perform some individual males. However, in general men are bigger and stronger, and in any head to head competition would beat out any woman.

Are there some females that would do well in combat, perhaps, but that still doesn't make it right. I do not believe there is any place for woman in combat.

Perhaps it just shows my age.

:-)

19 posted on 10/22/2001 5:00:09 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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