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God will never bless those who have turned him out.
1 posted on 10/20/2001 11:46:14 AM PDT by Khepera (mdmiessen@indy.rr.com)
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To: Khepera
Jefferson's letter.


2 posted on 10/20/2001 11:53:04 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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3 posted on 10/20/2001 11:55:02 AM PDT by ThanksBTTT
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To: Khepera
You correctly capture the understanding and beliefs of the Founding Fathers. To better understand the distortions that have taken place, see Leftwing Word Games & The First Amendment.

The attack on the American religious tradition comes from the same circles that attack all other aspects of our traditional culture and values.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

4 posted on 10/20/2001 11:56:26 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Khepera
I'll Bump To That.
5 posted on 10/20/2001 11:58:05 AM PDT by hattend
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To: Khepera
Establishment Clause: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ..."

The Establishment Clause has generally come to mean that government cannot authorize a church, cannot pass laws that aid or favor one religion over another, cannot pass laws that favor religious belief over non belief, cannot force a person to profess a belief. In short, government must be neutral toward religion and cannot be entangled with any religion.


Religion in public schools

Minersville v. Gobitis, 310 U.S. 586 (1940) - Supreme Court rules that a public school may require students to salute the flag and pledge allegiance even if it violates their religious scruples.

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943) - Court overturns Gobitis but is broader in its scope. No one can be forced to salute the flag or say the pledge of allegiance if it violates the individual conscience.

McCollum v. Board of Education, 333 U.S. 203 (1948) - Court finds religious instruction in public schools a violation of the establishment clause and therefore unconstitutional.

Zorach v. Clausen, 343 U.S. 306 (1952) - Court finds that release time from public school classes for religious instruction does not violate the establishment clause.

Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962) - Court finds school prayer unconstitutional.

Abington School District v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963) - Court finds Bible reading over school intercom unconstitutional and Murray v. Curlett, 374 U.S. 203 (1963) - Court finds forcing a child to participate in Bible reading and prayer unconstitutional.

Epperson v. Arkansas, 393 U.S. 97 (1968) - Court says the state cannot ban the teaching of evolution.

Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980) - Court finds posting of the Ten Commandments in schools unconstitutional.

Wallace v. Jaffree, 472 U.S. 38 (1985) - Court finds state law enforcing a moment of silence in schools had a religious purpose and is therefore unconstitutional.

Edwards v. Aquillard, 482 U.S. 578 (1987) - Court finds state law requiring equal treatment for creationism has a religious purpose and is therefore unconstitutional.

Board of Education v. Mergens, 496 U.S. 226 (1990) - The court rules that the Equal Access Act does not violate the First Amendment. Public schools that receive federal funds and maintain a "limited open forum" on school grounds after school hours cannot deny "equal access" to student groups based upon "religious, political, philosophical, or other content."

Lee v. Weisman, 112 SCt. 2649 (1992) - Court finds prayer at public school graduation ceremonies violates the establishment clause and is therefore unconstitutional.

Lamb's Chapel et al. v. Center Moriches Union Free School District, 508 U.S. 384 (1993) - Court says that school districts cannot deny churches access to school premises after-hours, if the district allowed the use of its building to other groups.

Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, (1994) - Court states that the New York State Legislature cannot create a separate school district for a religious community.

Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe, (2000) - Court rules that student-led prayers at public school football games violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

Good News Club v. Milford Central School, (2001) - Court rules that Milford Central School cannot keep Good News Club from using its facilities because the school had created a limited public forum and prohibiting the religious club was viewpoint discrimination.

6 posted on 10/20/2001 12:01:17 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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To: Khepera
"Who is it who cannot see that the same who would consecrate Christianity above all other religions would then have to consecrate a particular sect of Christians above all other sects?" - James Madison.
7 posted on 10/20/2001 12:02:27 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Khepera
Here's the REAL Constitutional solution to this "thorny" issue. There SHOULD be a complete separation of church and state. The state SHOULD not sponsor, promote, or subsidize religion. This means that the state should not hire chaplains, and the state should not run schools. In other words, there should be complete separation of church and state, and in order to keep the state from interfering with religion, the state should have extremely limited power and extremely limited scope for its activities.
9 posted on 10/20/2001 12:09:30 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Khepera
So what if the Islamic child has the class bow to Mecca while he leads the class in prayer to Allah.

Its only one day a month.

37 posted on 10/20/2001 1:52:04 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Khepera
Should we allow the posting of the Ten Commandments and or other “Religious” statements or expressions in our public places?

Here's a simple exercise. I would like to hear somebody state one law NOT based on the Ten Commandments.

70 posted on 10/20/2001 8:50:26 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Khepera
Great article BUMP!
90 posted on 10/20/2001 9:23:16 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: Khepera; TrueBeliever9; 2sheep; mercy
Bump
108 posted on 10/20/2001 10:26:23 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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112 posted on 11/09/2001 11:48:06 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Khepera
Prophetic, no? Michael Miessen was probably Michael Newdow or whatever his name is.
113 posted on 07/18/2002 3:31:53 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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